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    iGO Enthusiast Navigon 40 Plus - TMC under iGO8?
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    Old Navigon devices use Amaryllo chip...can be used without PS.

    Not such a simple story. I tried to simplify, but you are persistent
    I am member on D-E since 2012

    Yess, a driver is always used for the TMC port (dll file)
    In addition to the TMC port splitter, a TMC driver is also required.
    So, if your device is equipped with Royaltek, Locosys, Wistron or GNS chip, try...
    ... good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boki_Srb View Post
    Not such a simple story. I tried to simplify, but you are persistent
    Yeah, sorry. I'm very stubborn when it comes to that.

    Any idea why the newer devices cannot be used any longer in such way as the old ones? Has the chip been protected or is it an integrated solution with GPS/TMC in one?

    Normally these companies only combine single ICs (per function) into their layouts as this is cheaper than individually developed and patented solutions (i.e. Navigon's very own IC would cost way too much). So developer and chip behind each function of the device should be identifiable. Maybe opening one Navigon up would be a good start. Especially if there is no WinCE-software available to identify what is inside it.

    So I'm going to open up my 40 Plus and have a look inside...

    Time for some basic surgery... (tried attachments, but imgbox is faster with thumbnails):

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    Easy to open. Remove 4x Torx 4-screws. Then use your thumbnail or a smartphone plastic tool to open case.

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    Very typical configuration for smartphone, navigation and/or handheld gaming device.

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    Display unclipped. Common LCD & digitizer-combo, most likely even replaceable.

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    The lower half is way more interesting anyway! Battery & loudspeaker are unclipped and then the pcb can be removed with no further screws.

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    Upper side. Very interesting are "free places" for components. This pcb was most likely used in more devices and with additional capabilities. The metal shielding can only be removed on the smallest protected area. Oh, well.

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    Lower side. MicroSD-slot and more additional components. Interesting chip at the right side. "db G199". It's mostly ceramic. Any idea what that is? And another shielded area that cannot be opened.

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    Close-ups of lower side.

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    Close-ups of upper side.

    Let's open the small shielding!

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    Hrmpf! One bigger IC still under some metal. Let's cut that at one side and bend it up. Smaller component reads "ABTbok T16aHU".

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    Bend up reveals IC - "SiGe 4150L 031BR".

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    And closed up again. No permanent damage done.

    OK. More work? Hot air-workstation is available, so no problem. Any suggestion maybe where interesting components (TMC-specific) may hide?
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    First find: SiGe SE4150L - GPS radio receiver with dual-antenna input GPS receiver IC (so no GPS+TMC integrated solution).

    Big ceramic "IC" most likely a GPS-antenna (as it's exactly on the other side of the pcb).

    PCB identifies as: Foxconn Rev. 1 G10N010 800661
    More On Sticker:
    FGH24X9
    G10N010T01 LF
    46003808-08L2

    Big ICs Upper Side:
    Sandisk SDIN5C2-4G - Flash Card 4G-byte 3V/3.3V Embedded MMC 169-Pin TFBGA
    0319 C1HS 029 (SMD 16Pin, Non-Iso) - unknown
    PIC16 F610 I/ML 061GPB (SMD 16Pin, Non-Iso) - 8-bit Microcontroller

    Big ICs Lower Side:
    CDU TI0BW Z49H (SMD 16Pin, Non-Iso) - unknown

    OK, time for some hot air-surgery...

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    Paydirt! This time we found gold!

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    Not worth it! The lower side only hides some boring caps and resistors behind the metal shielding.

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    But that's more like it! Let's see who the "big boys" are...

    Winbond W9751G6JB-25 - DRAM Chip DDR2 SDRAM 512Mbit 32Mx16 1.8V 84-Pin WBGA

    SiRFatlasV - all in one CPU/GPU-solution for navi devices, based around ARM11-core, also features GPS
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    Hm. Interesting! But where's the FM-receiver for TMC hiding?

 

 

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