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    To elaborate... first I got the menu package from Boki_Srb (posting #2):

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    There is a working iGO8-package from stevoxxxx (posting #6) from this thread:

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    Anyway, start with Boki_Srb's "Storage Card Navigon 40 Premium WinCe6":

    This contains everything required and works fine on my Navigon 40 Plus - after some script-tweaking (Skin.ini & SysInfo.ini). Good work by Kopča!

    PortSplitter (or more correctly "Port.exe") needs to be started once to set the GPS-device up properly. So best to have PortSplitter as a startable app in the start menu to access it easily. Port 7 and 4800 baud seems to be correct for the 40 Plus. (And the settings are stored once you exit PortSplitter properly.)

    Next you put the Start-EXE into the scriptline before you launch iGO8:

    Command = \Storage Card\iGO8\PortSplitter\Start_iGO8.exe

    "Start_Primo.exe" from the Portsplitter-directory was renamed to "Start_iGO.exe". The same goes for the script "Start_primo.mscr" to "Start_iGO8.mscr".

    You have to tweak the script too:
    RunWait("\Storage Card\PrimoYes\Primo.exe") to RunWait("\Storage Card\iGO8\iGO8.exe")

    This way Port.exe is loaded into the background - WITH the settings - before iGO8 starts.

    And don't put too big Speedcam.txt-files on the sd-card or the 40 Plus will run out of memory when iGO8 starts up for the first time!

    And that's it.

    Setting up iGO8 on Port 7 at 4800 Baud will get me GPS-reception. I tested iGO8 (with the dimka-script) and it worked flawlessly! Except for TMC.

    Now if I remove the SD-card the 40 Plus will load the installed Navigon-software (from internal memory). And if I connect the 40 Plus to its Navigon-branded car loader (with a 12V plug) the second "line" of the cable will be the TMC-antenna.

    There is no EXTRA USB-device integrated into the cable. So it's only an antenna! I took a a multimeter to measure it through, there is only normal resistance and nothing that draws power.
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    Should TMC be provided via the same port as GPS, there is the option to edit iGO8's sys.txt manually.

    pdamill had a thread on this topic, alas it is now 404. But I kept the important parts (thank you, bozi):

    [tmc]
    port="COM,x"
    source="gns"
    baud=38400
    gps_source=1

    Important part is "gps_source". "1" means only 1 port for GPS/TMC and "0" 2 individual ports for GPS & TMC.

    So, how can the Navigon TMC-device be identified? Is there an app for WinCE that shows the devices and their ports?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatcher View Post
    What screenshots?
    This is a REQUEST thread how to get TMC running under iGO8 on a Navigon 40 Plus
    TMC DOES work under iGO8
    using it for TEN PLUS YEARS - including TMC Pro. Under iGO8
    What is not as legitimate and so wrong, to ask to watch and be impressed by a screenshot/s of TMC that works under iGO8 on two different WinCE-devices - Medion and MDA 3?

    This REQUEST is an integral part of all the information that comes up in your THREAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatcher View Post
    ...So, how can the Navigon TMC-device be identified? Is there an app for WinCE that shows the devices and their ports?
    I told you - there is no portsplitter for TMC port (not exists).

    igo8 has a built-in mechanism for detecting all ports, but ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boki_Srb View Post
    I told you - there is no portsplitter for TMC port (not exists).

    igo8 has a built-in mechanism for detecting all ports, but ...
    This device is 10 years old, clearly somebody knows at least from which manufacturer the TMC-chip is?

    Many of the older Navigon (up to 2009) worked with this in the sys.txt:

    [tmc]
    saved_config_available="1"
    saved_config_classname="NMEA_GPSTMC_AMARYLLO"
    saved_config_portname="COM"
    saved_config_port="4"
    auto_tuning="1"
    saved_last_tuning_mode="1"
    saved_last_frequency="960"

    @Boki_Srb: Have you heard of MixSerDrv?

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    Old Navigon devices use Amaryllo chip...can be used without PS.

    Not such a simple story. I tried to simplify, but you are persistent
    I am member on D-E since 2012

    Yess, a driver is always used for the TMC port (dll file)
    In addition to the TMC port splitter, a TMC driver is also required.
    So, if your device is equipped with Royaltek, Locosys, Wistron or GNS chip, try...
    ... good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boki_Srb View Post
    Not such a simple story. I tried to simplify, but you are persistent
    Yeah, sorry. I'm very stubborn when it comes to that.

    Any idea why the newer devices cannot be used any longer in such way as the old ones? Has the chip been protected or is it an integrated solution with GPS/TMC in one?

    Normally these companies only combine single ICs (per function) into their layouts as this is cheaper than individually developed and patented solutions (i.e. Navigon's very own IC would cost way too much). So developer and chip behind each function of the device should be identifiable. Maybe opening one Navigon up would be a good start. Especially if there is no WinCE-software available to identify what is inside it.

    So I'm going to open up my 40 Plus and have a look inside...

    Time for some basic surgery... (tried attachments, but imgbox is faster with thumbnails):

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    Easy to open. Remove 4x Torx 4-screws. Then use your thumbnail or a smartphone plastic tool to open case.

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    Very typical configuration for smartphone, navigation and/or handheld gaming device.

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    Display unclipped. Common LCD & digitizer-combo, most likely even replaceable.

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    The lower half is way more interesting anyway! Battery & loudspeaker are unclipped and then the pcb can be removed with no further screws.

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    Upper side. Very interesting are "free places" for components. This pcb was most likely used in more devices and with additional capabilities. The metal shielding can only be removed on the smallest protected area. Oh, well.

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    Lower side. MicroSD-slot and more additional components. Interesting chip at the right side. "db G199". It's mostly ceramic. Any idea what that is? And another shielded area that cannot be opened.

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    Close-ups of lower side.

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    Close-ups of upper side.

    Let's open the small shielding!

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    Hrmpf! One bigger IC still under some metal. Let's cut that at one side and bend it up. Smaller component reads "ABTbok T16aHU".

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    Bend up reveals IC - "SiGe 4150L 031BR".

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    And closed up again. No permanent damage done.

    OK. More work? Hot air-workstation is available, so no problem. Any suggestion maybe where interesting components (TMC-specific) may hide?
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    First find: SiGe SE4150L - GPS radio receiver with dual-antenna input GPS receiver IC (so no GPS+TMC integrated solution).

    Big ceramic "IC" most likely a GPS-antenna (as it's exactly on the other side of the pcb).

    PCB identifies as: Foxconn Rev. 1 G10N010 800661
    More On Sticker:
    FGH24X9
    G10N010T01 LF
    46003808-08L2

    Big ICs Upper Side:
    Sandisk SDIN5C2-4G - Flash Card 4G-byte 3V/3.3V Embedded MMC 169-Pin TFBGA
    0319 C1HS 029 (SMD 16Pin, Non-Iso) - unknown
    PIC16 F610 I/ML 061GPB (SMD 16Pin, Non-Iso) - 8-bit Microcontroller

    Big ICs Lower Side:
    CDU TI0BW Z49H (SMD 16Pin, Non-Iso) - unknown
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    OK, time for some hot air-surgery...

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    Paydirt! This time we found gold!

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    Not worth it! The lower side only hides some boring caps and resistors behind the metal shielding.

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    But that's more like it! Let's see who the "big boys" are...

    Winbond W9751G6JB-25 - DRAM Chip DDR2 SDRAM 512Mbit 32Mx16 1.8V 84-Pin WBGA

    SiRFatlasV - all in one CPU/GPU-solution for navi devices, based around ARM11-core, also features GPS
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    Hm. Interesting! But where's the FM-receiver for TMC hiding?
    Last edited by ThePatcher; 21st September 2020 at 05:05 AM.

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    So much work for nothing
    But I see that you show a great desire to practice your (un)soldering skills
    All you had to do was follow the wires from the tmc connector to the chip

    But, from specifications:
    ...Car charger with integrated TMC Traffic antenna... >> it mean that the device receives a signal via USB cable (or is even the whole receiver in the cable?)
    Anyway, it further means that the data lines from the usb cable are in charge of TMC signal transmission.
    And that the chip they reach is either a receiver or a TMC signal decoder.

    Edit:
    judging by these [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], it is still just an antenna.
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