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    Just got a new GPSMAP66st (my old 60CSx died). On paper, it is an impressive improvement over the 60: 16G memory vs 8g; 20,000 track points vs 10,000; 12,000 map tiles vs 4000; GPS Elevation vs barometric altimeter. It seemed like a good idea at the time...

    What the user manual doesn't tell you is what it no longer will do:
    You cannot display multiple waypoints on the map.Will only display one waypoint at a time on the map. If you select a new waypoint to show on the map, the previous one disappears.
    Will not display the current track you are recording while you are recording it. So, you can't see where you've been until you stop recording and save the track. If you are traveling backcountry off trail, this is a real problem.
    You cannot reset the Odometer field in the Trip Computer, and you cannot choose individual fields to reset/clear. The only way to reset the Odometer field is to do a global reset that clears all the settings you have entered. Why have a data field that accumulates data and cannot be reset?

    I have contacted Garmin Product Support, and they have confirmed that this is the way the 66 is designed, it was not operator error. I don't know what Garmin was thinking when they designed the software for the 66, but they have eliminated a lot of the previous models' functionalities. This is not product evolution, it is product devolution.

    I have returned my 66st. I am very disappointed with Garmin.

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    @Oswald Bold,

    I have the Garmin GPSMAP 66S and it works just great.

    I set it up with the help of GPSrChive forum and navigation-professionell forum.

    Both sites were very helpful.

    Spoiler: GPSChive setup for the 66
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    For me, both the opinions seems strong. Old habits die hard but sometimes we have to exercise our adaptation skills for good. GPSrChive is a great site, there are a lots of very detailed information for many Garmin devices.

    But GPSMAP 66 is a relatively new series and many related intimates remains to be discovered by the community. For instance, the hardware. It's still hard to find any information so I've looked into the images on the FCC site and have found some interesting things. First, it seems the 66 series uses the platform SoC (STA2065 aka Cartesto+) which is exactly similar to that for the 64 series and recent Oregon and Montana series. So all that units has exactly similar computing power. Not more, not less. As for the external GPS chip, the image is not clear enough to identify the part. But it's certainly not MT3332 (as in the 64). It's something different (perhaps it's MT3333 as in the new 64sc(x) units). So if you'll be going to take your unit apart for some reason, please don't forget to identify this chip and let us know. Second, there is the Garmin satellite modem module inside the GPSMAP 66i and some other units of such capability. According to the modem module specification, it can radiate up to 2W power in the micro-wave RF (L band). So when the modem is transmitting, it is advised by the spec to maintain at least 24 cm. clearance between the antenna and any living thing. Not a single word about than in the user's manual or safety data sheet for related units
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    User's go right away to pull the batteries on the GPSMAP 66

    GPSMAP 66 freezes while zooming in on a map firmware Update 4.10 but I do not think it has anything to do with the firmware.

    Once in awhile when I zoom in on the map and take it to the max. It seems to freeze and can not zoom back out.
    Then the screen saver kick in and the next time I view the map all is working and I can zoom out again. Have never had to remove the batteries. Waiting seems to correct the freezing. This does not happen all the time. I think it has happen 3 times since I have been using the 66. It sounds like all the memory is used up for a minute or so and then clears the cache.

    My 66 has 40 plus Geocaches on and 4GB SD card with full Benelux map. It does take some time to startup with all my 40 plus Geocaches on the SD card.

    As for pulling the batteries on the 66 I would just wait and let it just reset itself before I would pull the batteries out.
    In most cases this does work......
    User's who seem to have this happen a lot might try a different map as a test to see if it is the maps fault.

    This also holds true for use's who scrolling on map.
    This has not happened to me and have tested scrolling 90 KM South on my map and everything is working with no lockup.
    Then scrolled back up to my location and again no lockup. Then went East 10KM and back and West 10 KM and back. Not one lockup the whole time. But like I said I have my Benelux map on a 4GB SD card. Do not know if using an SD card is better then having everything on internal memory. While doing the test scrolling you do not see much of the map till you pause for a second and the map reappears on the screen then I go back to scrolling again. The KM does not move also till you pause for a second scrolling and it corrects itself also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bold View Post
    Just got a new GPSMAP66st (my old 60CSx died). On paper, it is an impressive improvement over the 60: 16G memory vs 8g; 20,000 track points vs 10,000; 12,000 map tiles vs 4000; GPS Elevation vs barometric altimeter. It seemed like a good idea at the time...
    The GPSMAP 66 is a worthy replacement with outstanding new features that will require some 'learning' for those coming from the much older 60 series GPSmap models.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bold View Post
    You cannot display multiple waypoints on the map.Will only display one waypoint at a time on the map. If you select a new waypoint to show on the map, the previous one disappears.
    User Error.

    Thousands of waypoints can be displayed on the map screen if the space was there. I frequently view dozens of waypoints on the map screen at any given time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bold View Post
    Will not display the current track you are recording while you are recording it. So, you can't see where you've been until you stop recording and save the track. If you are traveling backcountry off trail, this is a real problem.
    Again, User Error.

    Current Tracklog Recording can be configured to be hidden or be displayed as desired by the operator.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bold View Post
    You cannot reset the Odometer field in the Trip Computer, and you cannot choose individual fields to reset/clear. The only way to reset the Odometer field is to do a global reset that clears all the settings you have entered. Why have a data field that accumulates data and cannot be reset?
    Just like an automobile, the Odometer can no tbe turned back. But there are Trip odometers etc. that can be reset at will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bold View Post
    I have contacted Garmin Product Support, and they have confirmed that this is the way the 66 is designed, it was not operator error.
    This sentance is operator error. Does not make sense. THe issues you are experiencing are operator error.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bold View Post
    I don't know what Garmin was thinking when they designed the software for the 66, but they have eliminated a lot of the previous models' functionalities. This is not product evolution, it is product devolution.

    I have returned my 66st. I am very disappointed with Garmin.
    What a shame your decade newer device did work just the way the previous model you owned did. The truth is the GPSMAP 66 series is actually revolutionary compared to the older 60 series GPSmap series.

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    The Expedition Mode and the GPSMAP 66

    I have been testing this Expedition Mode and what I have found is when you start off and in Expedition Mode all well and good.
    Then when you get near a Geocache you push the power button and the 66 resumes activity.
    Sometimes the map turns on more often you need to push the power button a second time to see the map.
    Screen saver mode is now set for 1 min to look on the screen to see how close I am to a Geocache or any other info you need.
    First the screen goes blank after the minute.
    Then it can take up to 3 mins before the Expedition Mode kicks in.
    If you just push on the power button Expedition Mode can be done right away.
    Have switching from prompt Expedition Mode to auto and in 2 mins it goes back to sleep and the red light blinks.
    But I find having to push the power button all the time can lead to the power button not working after sometime.
    I think being able to hit anykey while getting close to a Geocache would be much better.
    The 66s is on my backpack using the belt clip
    Spoiler: The Garmin Belt Clip
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    so you hand are a way from any contact with the buttons on the GPSMAP 66.

    See screen shots
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    Spoiler: The Gpsmap 66 on a backpack with the belt clip
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    Plus when the screen does go blank is should go into Expedition Mode with out having to wait.
    For the time being I will not use Expedition Mode for 2 or 3 hour hikes and save it for the 8 hour plus hikes.
    Leave the screen saver set for one minute gives me lots of time to check where I am each time.
    In regards to the Expedition Mode you should be able to set it to any time to kick in or not at all.
    Using the screensaver should automatically trigger the Expedition Mode to kick in with in seconds.
    Remember this is a high end GPS Unit that in order to get the best battery time on the 66 you need to turn off (see below).

    Maximizing Battery Life

    Exit the Camera application when not taking photos (Only on the 66I) <-----A Selling point
    Turn the Backlight off when not absolutely needed
    Decrease Backlight Brightness
    Reduce Backlight Timeout
    Enable Battery Save Mode
    Disable Wi-Fi <------------A Selling point
    Disable Bluetooth <--------A selling point
    Disable ANT+ Sensors <-----A Selling point
    Disable the magnetic compass ???
    Disable GLONASS <----------A Selling point
    Disable GALILEO <----------A Selling point
    Disable WAAS/EGNOS <-------A Selling point
    Adjust Recording Controls to 'Auto' or 'Off'
    Set Map Orientation to 'North Up', not 'Track Up' ???
    When permissible, use the Compass or Trip Computer pages while navigating, not the Map page. ????
    Enable Expedition Mode when permissible.

    As you can see all the items that would make you buy the new GPSMAP 66 have to be turned off to save on the batteries.

    Now one other thing I do not recommend getting the Garmin batteries so you can charge them while inside the GPSMAP 66.

    It takes far to long to charge them. In some cases it can take up to 8 hours plus.
    You are better off getting the BQ-CC55 charger including 4 eneloop pro AA 2500mAh NiMH batteries as an example.

    See link from Panasonic about the batteries:
    Spoiler: The Panasonic Unit

    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    But it is up to the users as to what batteries they want to use in the GPSMAP 66.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asprin624 View Post
    The Expedition Mode and the GPSMAP 66

    I think being able to hit anykey while getting close to a Geocache would be much better.
    Absolutely not.

    Not everyone carries their GPSr like you do, many will have it in a pack of some sort, and allowing any button press wake from Expeditiono Mode would essentially ruin its intended purpose.

    Power button press is only viable method to exit Expedition Mode for all users.

    Quote Originally Posted by asprin624 View Post
    [B]T...
    Disable Wi-Fi <------------A Selling point
    Disable Bluetooth <--------A selling point
    Disable ANT+ Sensors <-----A Selling point
    Disable the magnetic compass ???
    Disable GLONASS <----------A Selling point
    Disable GALILEO <----------A Selling point
    Disable WAAS/EGNOS <-------A Selling point
    ...
    This list looks familiar....
    Last edited by Boki; 3rd May 2020 at 05:29 PM. Reason: merged 2 posts, shortened quote

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    @babj615,

    What ever makes you boot float do it mate.

    I am just pointing out what I have run into.

    You have the GPSMAP 66 in you hand when you are looking for a Geocache being able to use one of the keys that are near your thumb makes more sense.
    Be it you right hand or your left hand.

    Reaching for the top of the 66 is a lot harder to do. You have to move your hand up to the top to press the power button.
    Then move back down to get to the other keys to zoom in or out on the map.
    The GPSMAP series had the power button on the side it is only the new 66 that they put it on the top.

    Again a waste of time.

    Like I pointed out in order to get the so called better battery life you have to turn off all the things you would want to use.

    These were selling points that Garmin made a big deal about.

    Do not use WIFI to download Geocaches.....
    Do not use Bluetooth. Only for data exchange with Garmin Explore, otherwise disabled.
    Do not use any of the GPS satellites other than GPS only.
    Do not use the magnetic compass.
    Sensors: Off (saves battery), except a tempe sensor (occasionally)
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    If you want to keep it in a backpack go right ahead.
    Then you have to stop and take your backpack off and unzip and drag the GPSMAP 66 out.
    Why even have it on????

    Plus Garmin has a Backpack holder also.

    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]


    Keeping it near you is the smart thing not sticking it in a backpack that is a complete waste of time.
    You do not put your Car GPS in the trunk of the car..... then stop open the trunk and check what exit to take.

    I have been hiking since 2007 with my first eTrex and always has in hanging around my neck so I could get to it quickly.
    The same for the GPSMAP 66s you want it near you either on your belt or on you backpack.

    You want to keep your GPS Unit in a place where you can not get to by all means do it.
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    Spend a few days in real bush & wilderness and you might change your mind about the need to keep your hands free and critical equipment protected from being ripped off......

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    @Bushwalker8,

    That maybe true about protecting you critical equipment. But sooner or later you have to stop and take out your GPS to get your bearings.
    The same holds true for all the user's who take their smpartphone on a hiking trip. Some of these phones are in the range of 600 to 1000 euros.
    They walk around with them in their hands all day. They are not attached to anything and are very easy to be stolen.
    It is a balance as to how well you protect what you have with you and how best to use it in the wilderness.
    Keeping anything in your hand while hiking can be very dangerous. More so when you are by yourself.
    Having your hand free and not having a GPS Unit or smartphone in you hand is far safer.
    Going in groups adds to the safety along with using some form of support in your hands.

    But to each of his or her way of doing things. How I do things best fits may needs how you do it fits your needs.

    Happy hiking in these crazy times......
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