Neil, in the link that you provided in the new easy way, I cannot tell if rodgers is 1 way to do the upgrade or if cat2115 is another way or if you have to use them both to upgrade the Garmin 2595LMT? it seems the upgrade in this thread on the first post is a lot easier, I downloaded the software 25x5, and I installed it on a micro SD card, I put the micro sd card in my Garmin while it was shut off, turned on my Garmin, and then it upgraded, it worked for about 1 or 2 minutes, then my Garmin restarted and froze on the Garmin screen. Like you said, maybe it did not wor for me because I already upgraded the firmware v8.20 through garmin express. When I get my new garmin maybe it will have the old firmware in the steps on this thread on the first post will work. Roger and cat2115 process seems to have 10 steps while the 1st post on this thread has three steps. even if I am successful on upgrading my Garmin, will Garmin Express recognize my Garmin 2595 LMT so I can have the software updates and the map updates?