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    Tex: "How is posting Universal Firmware Patcher violates Garmin copyright?" Mate, you know i'm not a scaredy-cat usually right? But the answer to your question's pretty obvious surely? It breaches Garmin's EULA not to modify their device firmware and it's sole purpose is to allow use of illegally modified (unlocked) mapping on their protected devices.

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    Ok, lets think about this for a moment. Garmin (or any entity) can't claim copyright over something that doesn't belong to them. They didn't write the patcher, and posting the patcher isn't posting ANY Garmin material. Posting any Garmin map (modified via patching) is not allow because the map posted is originally own by them (that is why this forum conformed to that request.) But posting a tool to do something should not violates any law governing what you use the tool to do. It's like saying you can't post a wrench because it can open a bolt on a Toyota because Toyota own the car with that bolt. Utter rubbish.

    Garmin (or any entity) has the right to protect their work. However, they do NOT have the right to force everything their way to protect it. The tool isn't modifying their work, the person using that tool is. So Garmin can try to enforce their copyright on the people using the tool not the person giving the tool. That is the "lawfully" way to do it..

    Still don't understand? If you follow the way Garmin wants (and think) then you can't provide any answer/solution to any of their "defective" products because you are not allow to "modified" from it's original problematic state. Which means a Garmin forum group would really consisting of only announcement of their products (assuming that they don't own the copyright on that) which makes your forum a Garmin advertising site. Garmin should focus on fixing problem with their updater and less concern with people trying to unlock maps. Their commercial products are dying. Perhaps they should change the way they sell their products (always with lifetime map so not to worry about people "stealing" it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by osiris4isis View Post
    Ok, lets think about this for a moment. Garmin (or any entity) can't claim copyright over something that doesn't belong to them. They didn't write the patcher, and posting the patcher isn't posting ANY Garmin material. Posting any Garmin map (modified via patching) is not allow because the map posted is originally own by them (that is why this forum conformed to that request.)...
    What I've marked in red in the above quote quite hits the nail on the head there mate. It's the ppl using the tool who breach the EULA. You own only the device as a chattel, what you (or even someone only in possession of the firmware/software without a device) don't own is the firmware/software/map data used to run a device and you merely have a license to use that stuff subject to the constrains you agreed to as contained in the End User LICENSING Agreement, which by implication you passively agree to when buying and operating a device or merely coming into possession of the firmware/software/map data. Immediately you save a change of one Byte of their data you break that legally enforceable agreement which is subject to local laws in Kansas USA regardless of where it's used in the world. I know you don't post SD BIN file kits or patched RGN files but others do. Someone is going to get adverse attention. That's the warning info i've been given by someone whom i trust. I am not wanting to scare, just forewarn well-meaning ppl trying to help others out of kindness who unfortunately might then be made an example of. The long arm of retribution has already reached from Olathe to Europe in a few cases over map copyright breaches that we know of, so no one is immune. There are probably others around the world who've been pursued too but we aren't aware of. I'll let the EULA do any more talking:
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    Actually, if you are the owner of something, it's yours and you can do with it what you want. If I own a DVD, I can burn it if I want. I can decode it and do what I want with the data. Except, make money by selling that copy of it (I can still make money by selling the original). I can create a proggy that cracked their encryption and post it. What I can not do is post the cracked data. But I think my point is not getting across.
    1. If Garmin like the law set in EULA, they need to be consistent and not do half and half. You can not claimed your right while violating other people right.
    2. If a forum is forced to be responsible for indirectly violating EULA, then pretty much all forums are in violations. Because unless you just only post announcements, you are in violation when trying to help solved a problem.
    3. Finally, guns don't killed people, people killed people. A patch/cracked posted does nothing until someone do something with it. Forum should not be held responsible for people action. There is a US law* (don't know if it's world wide) and that is exactly what it said. That is why Google, Facebook, Youtube, etc... still survived and doing well.

    BTW, agreeing to a EULA is like agreeing to android privacy, you have no choice if you want to use the device (even though, they are free to collect any data on you and do what they want with it.) The US is currently reviewing this silly requirement and Congress might pass new law concerning it. The EU already is looking at this as well and hopefully will fined Google mega $$$.

    How many people would buy Garmin (or any product) if they have to agree with the following:
    You are not allow to fix any problem with this device, if there is any issue, you must send it back to us to fix it. That's right, if there is a fix, you can't use it, you must send it back. If there is a better way to do something, you can't do it; you must stick to the original way.
    Judging from the declining Garmin sale and discontinued products, not many people.

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