Hi all my last post for awhile am going out there to play with my gadgets in the bush and will see if one of my Garmin devices dies "have one more" I will be having lots of fun camping and camp fires etc etc maybe find some Gold too, The main Etrex I use is failing from the normal screen problem of Horizontal lines they still aint solved it on my model but hey that Etrex 30 is lookin good.