Thread: Truck support in NG versions

Just tested that today.
I put the 5.5m height in truck profile and deliberately went on the road with 4m tunnel (under a bridge to be exact). Just before the passing it says that my vehicle is not capable of passing through selected road and there were two buttons instead of plain "DISMISS" like in other alerts I saw. The buttons were "IGNORE" and "ACCEPT" in terms of accepting or not accepting the warning and planning a completely new road.

Ludo, I'm quite sure that no NG's without additional skins are able to show the alert sign onto the map (like overlay), if thats what you mean. Maybe with some additional skins/ux this is possible.

The alerts on the screenshots I posted come, as I suggest before, as follows.
The data (information) comes from .ftr-files, which have all the additional map data - weight limits, height limits and so on. It is used as additional data by the routing engine to avoid (if possible) roads not permitted for the profiled vehicle.
The visual infromation comes from truck.zip and it consist of additional more descriptive messages and additional signs (the ones on my screens). But I'm quite sure there is no additional information or different algorithms in truck.zip.

Also, I never get turn restrictions with distances (refering the screenshots) before using truck.zip. And I never have such sign if the selected vehicle is CAR, for example.

I'm not a truck dirver, but I drive a large cargo van (panel van?) so sometimes I prefer to avoid small, narrow streets and then I switch to truck-profile. And, of course, as you already mention - one must use the grey matter wisely and frequently

Regadrs

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

Just tested that today.
I put the 5.5m height in truck profile and deliberately went on the road with 4m tunnel (under a bridge to be exact). Just before the passing it says that my vehicle is not capable of passing through selected road and there were two buttons instead of plain "DISMISS" like in other alerts I saw. The buttons were "IGNORE" and "ACCEPT" in terms of accepting or not accepting the warning and planning a completely new road.

This is notification. Thanks for the verification.

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

Ludo, I'm quite sure that no NG's without additional skins are able to show the alert sign onto the map (like overlay), if thats what you mean. Maybe with some additional skins/ux this is possible.

Correct. So far only truck.zip provides that.

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

The alerts on the screenshots I posted come, as I suggest before, as follows.
The data (information) comes from .ftr-files, which have all the additional map data - weight limits, height limits and so on. It is used as additional data by the routing engine to avoid (if possible) roads not permitted for the profiled vehicle.
The visual infromation comes from truck.zip and it consist of additional more descriptive messages and additional signs (the ones on my screens). But I'm quite sure there is no additional information or different algorithms in truck.zip.

With truck.zip UX, the only additional info is insertion of routing restriction in routing screen. There is no additional nor special algorithm added.

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

Also, I never get turn restrictions with distances (refering the screenshots) before using truck.zip. And I never have such sign if the selected vehicle is CAR, for example.

Correct. This is why I keep asking for it and finally posted the codes to prove that it should display it.

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

I'm not a truck dirver, but I drive a large cargo van (panel van?) so sometimes I prefer to avoid small, narrow streets and then I switch to truck-profile. And, of course, as you already mention - one must use the grey matter wisely and frequently

Regadrs

Ditto. I have people that drive camper and large truck that height might be restricted on some underpass/bridge that don't want to get stuck.

Look at post 38, 43, 45 and 51 from Wojpen.

Truck does work, but you don't get the warn signs for height and other truck signs osiris4isis mentioned in post 33 ( on the side of the screen you don't get the height icon or every other one ).

Only warning you get is the big screen warning like in my post 45, that's real life route.( same thing as the bookworm has )
On route calculating you don.t get any warning at all, but when you take a look at the route profile, you can see he's taking another route to avoid tunnels etc, according to the setting in truck profile.

Only thing i have is that i dont have fully map coverage in the Netherlands, there are several tunnels with warnings, but there are at least 2 tunnels wich the program or map don't work.
I tested with Here Q1 and Q2 2017 maps.
The Heinenoord tunnel on the A29 Highway can't be passed with 4,5m height, i have set 4,5m in my profile, but i don't get any warning at all, not in calculating, not in route summary, not in real life.

Like i said before, truck is working, but without the signs, only the Warnings, thing is, when you get the warning there's no turning back in real life, and you do have a problem.
The route calculating is taking routes depend on you're profile, so normally you don't get to see the warning, because the planned route is not sending you through the tunnel.

When you look at my post 45, there's a tunnel ahead with height limit of 4,30m, my profile is set at 4,5m, just to test.
Route Calculation was taking me over the nearby bridge there a 2 exits before entering the tunnel, he guided me to take the 1st exit ( 1st picture ) wich i ignored, the program recalculated and wanted me to take the second exit, then i drove by the second exit and there's no turning back anymore, than i got the warning as showed, big screen says i can't pass the tunnel.

Thanks everyone for looking into this, and all input is welcome. grtz. Ludo.

I've looked again to the signs osiris4isis mentioned in post 33, and i think the bookworm might be right, i never seen this signs on the left, now i'm curious if he see's signs for weight and height on the same place.

He mentioned the big warnings, those are the ones Wojpen and i have post before.
But how comes when he set his profile to 5,5m the underpass the bridge there was no hight limit sign on the left of his screen, only the big warning, with accept or decline.

I wandering if at the program was able to find another route, i guess not.... to close to the bridge.
So when you hit accept you'll have to drive under the bridge and you get stuck......
So when you hit Decline the program throw's away the entire route and leave you behind standing in front of the bridge......
Bin there a couple of times with the accept or decline warning, when you see this one, you're on you're own....

I do think you're both are right according the working of the program or where the information is taking from, map, ftr, da, or program files.

I drive with truck profile for a long time and those Warnings where there from the beginning, so nothing new here.

When first truck navi's where on the market only thing what was mentioned always was, beware no full truck coverage for different countries.
And that has not changed, i can't rely on a full truck coverage map, and i don't think it has anything to do with the program itself.
The program is working as it should, it calculates other routes, it show's roadsigns acoording to the bookworm, and we do get Warning signs(Big Screen)
only thing missing is full map coverage for all truck attibutes, and that should be in the FTR files ?? like with the route i mentioned, no warning for the tunnel.

Everyone be free to reply or ask questions, happy to know we have The Bookworm on here too to test and change information with us.

grtz. Ludo

Originally Posted by Ludo Palinckx

Look at post 38, 43, 45 and 51 from Wojpen.

Truck does work, but you don't get the warn signs for height and other truck signs osiris4isis mentioned in post 33 ( on the side of the screen you don't get the height icon or every other one ).

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Like i said before, truck is working, but without the signs, only the Warnings, thing is, when you get the warning there's no turning back in real life, and you do have a problem.
The route calculating is taking routes depend on you're profile, so normally you don't get to see the warning, because the planned route is not sending you through the tunnel.

Totally agreed, Ludo!
But, I don't think it is designed to have signs for Height/Weight/e.t.c. on the left side or onto the map.

Just imagine the situation - you're driving straight on the road with few left/right side roads, and there is no weight/height limit on the main road (the one you driving at). Everything is smooth. But then you need to turn left, for example, and there is weight/height limit... If you have planned route, the programm will never put you on that road (or at least should not), but if you have driving without route planned, then how the software "knows" that you are goting to turn left on limited road?
My opinion, if the software shows ALL the restrictions, then the map will be cluttered with signs. Moreover, you will need to look at the screen of the navi to confirm your next maneuvre (road safety here!). And I don't see a way to audio alert the driver, that there are any restrictions before he/she turns on that road.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my interpretation of left side signs is - for example, in case of "Go straight for xx km" = "Do not make any turns from your route, because there you have some restrictions". This is on "free" driving, without any route planned.

If you have planned route, the software should try to avoid any restrictions, or in case of not possible avoiding, clearly indicate that you might be in some trouble And it always shows the restrictions in Route summary.

Is it logical or not?

Regards.

Originally Posted by Ludo Palinckx

He mentioned the big warnings, those are the ones Wojpen and i have post before.
But how comes when he set his profile to 5,5m the underpass the bridge there was no hight limit sign on the left of his screen, only the big warning, with accept or decline.

The navi route me at differend route, totaly avoiding the bridge *underpass). It was me, that make the "wrong" turn and went under it. It was just for testing, because I was curious how it will handle height limit. And I thik it handle it ok, because just before the bridge there is another road and the navi recalculate it in last seconds. But, I pass this turn again and it showed me the final warning.

Regards

Originally Posted by osiris4isis

Gift 9.18.27.687519 with no skin + truck.zip should work "fully", already verified by the_bookworm. However, if you don't see it working "fully" with Pongo skin, try it without that skin.

Basarsoft 9.18.27.659452 with Arimi skin (that included truck.zip) should work "fully", but needs verifying. I don't like this version since it require license and so far only Europe has it.

Just for the record, AVICSYNC 9.18.28.696728 (2017_04_10) + truck.zip also is working, but as Basarsoft you need the proper licenses.

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

Totally agreed, Ludo!
But, I don't think it is designed to have signs for Height/Weight/e.t.c. on the left side or onto the map.

Just imagine the situation - you're driving straight on the road with few left/right side roads, and there is no weight/height limit on the main road (the one you driving at). Everything is smooth....

Case 1, you have a planned route and you deviates from it (because of accident or you didn't follow direction), proggy should tell you how to get back on the route. This is the arrow direction and distance shown in alert icon area of cockpit.

Case 2, you have a planned route but got redirection because of traffic, you should see notification in cockpit. I don't know if you tested this case yet.

Case 3, you don't have planned route, you don't get any notification nor alert for restriction. Like I said, if you see restriction signs (that doesn't rotate nor have distance), it's most likely from turn_restriction.zip

If you're talking about using truck.zip so you get alert icons in cockpit, proggy knows and report the necessary data in variables used in truck.zip (look at the codes for those variables)
The routing engine flagged truck restriction and the mapping engine will populate those variables to be used in truck.zip This is the reason why I wasn't sure if it was working or not (because I can't test it when driving). Those variables will only get flagged if the conditions are correct.

@The Bookworm,

I do agree it is not always 100% accurat, and i do think there are some things missing or incomplete in the FTR or Map files for the Netherlands, i don't think it has something to do with Nextgen of any version, i tried the same route with different ones and i get no other route planned or warnings.

For the Scania radio they don't give any information, Ive got the Premium Scania Radio, it's is a Bosch 7 620 000 063 unit, i think it's Windows os, and i can't get in the menu for update anything, only thing you do can is buy a micro-sd card with map updates.
It doesn't have a internet connection, it get TMC from radio signals, no cellular either, just a Radio/CD/ combi with USB, Bluetooth and touchscreen for navigation.
Thing is, i don't wanna loose the radio, because i have a integrated telephone system, and full steering wheel control, if i change it for by example a Pioneer, than i loose most of the steering wheel control functions and telephone, they do sell a interface for it, but not all functions work, the microphone is integrated in my seat for example.

If you can help me out, please let me know.

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Grtz. Ludo.

Hello All, i tested today the program iGO NextGen 9.18.27.687519 from Jan 26 2017 without a skin and only added the Truck(World) Ux zip.

I only can tell right now, i don't see any differences in route calculation, warnings or others, it's all the same as descriped in my post 111.

If you wan't to change or try something, just let me know, for now i leave the program the way it is, all original and do some more testing.

Grtz. Ludo.

Originally Posted by osiris4isis

Case 1, you have a planned route and you deviates from it (because of accident or you didn't follow direction), proggy should tell you how to get back on the route. This is the arrow direction and distance shown in alert icon area of cockpit.

Case 2, you have a planned route but got redirection because of traffic, you should see notification in cockpit. I don't know if you tested this case yet.

Case 3, you don't have planned route, you don't get any notification nor alert for restriction. Like I said, if you see restriction signs (that doesn't rotate nor have distance), it's most likely from turn_restriction.zip

If you're talking about using truck.zip so you get alert icons in cockpit, proggy knows and report the necessary data in variables used in truck.zip (look at the codes for those variables)
The routing engine flagged truck restriction and the mapping engine will populate those variables to be used in truck.zip This is the reason why I wasn't sure if it was working or not (because I can't test it when driving). Those variables will only get flagged if the conditions are correct.

Case 1 - I think I did this test with bridge height scenario I described earlier. So, in this case navi tried to reroute me on different road, but I still followed my route and I got the warning window.

Case 2 - unfortunately, I live in Bulgaria and we don't have TMC here. But, I think if the programm is capable of rerouting with truck restriction in mind, there is no matter what the reason for rerouting is - TMC message, drivers wish to not follow the road or any other.

Case 3 - I do driving mostly without planned route, so I constantly see the blue signs with distance. Never tried turn_restriction ux, so I don't know what kind of notification it should provide, but I think it should be something similar to "simple" drivers alert (e.g. "Overtake forbidden" or "Pedestrian crossing").

Originally Posted by Ludo Palinckx

Just to be clear, i deleted this version with Pongo skin, and gonna test monday with a fresh instal of Gift without skin and licenses and with truck(world)ux

@Ludo
BTW, what kind of navi/radio is in your SCANIA? Is it ANDROID based? How it updates maps & files? Is it network connected - cellular or something else?

Regarding the restriction data, I still think that there are some road segments in the maps, that miss this information or it is incomplete or (worst case) wrong.
For example, because Bulgaria is a small country and is outside of the scope of the map makers (Here & TomTom mostly), there is a lot of wrong data in maps - wrong speed limit, for example, or turn restrictions or embeded POI in the map. I drive every day near POI of a petrol-station in the middle of nowhere and I know for sure that there was never ever been a station there. Just imagine a drivers confusion, if he/she relays on this station, because in a circle of 10-15km there is no other. Maybe same with truck-data in The Netherlands?

Regards.

@Ludo, what is full version of proggy you're testing with? If possible, test with the Basarsoft version that wojpen is using (Arimi skin) that require license and make sure truck.zip UX is used to see if it's "fully" working.

iGO Gift 9.18.27.687519 with pongo skin on my main device and Basarsoft 9.18.27.659452 also with pongo skin on another one for testing.

Both have the truck ux working..