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    so, when you say 'physically damaged' - do you mean i will see something when i open it up?

    appreciated for the help - i learned alot and enjoys it. at least now, if i encounter a similar situation i can hopefully be able to help explain to someone else how to get help...

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    There probably won't be any external damage you can see on the flash chip, it'll be hidden internal electronic failure similar to what any other flash storage device might suffer. Just like media cards and thumb drives sometimes fail fatally with similar symptoms too (unable to reformat, files and folders that can't be deleted and nonsense naming corruption).

    By 'physically damaged' i really just mean it's not able to be fixed by any software methods as we've tried, i.e. it has 'hard' rather than 'soft' failure.
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    so, i couldnt resist - had to open it up and see what it was... pretty simple - but not quite like replacing a cap on a 30yrs old board...

    care to explain some of what i am seeing here for my own knowledge - i can identify some of the stuff, but obviously i am not an electronics guy...
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    I don't have access to an actual 78 PCB to go hands on, but i can say that in your top image it's likely the 2nd largest chip is the flash memory module (marked Samsung). The largest one is certainly the CPU, marked Garmin & ARM. The third largest is probably the RAM module. If you are intending to replace the flash chip you can do so using a scavenged part from a similar donor board or google the part number to source a compatible new replacement but as i said doing the actual replacement isn't hard for an electronics tech, it's then re-programming the new chip for the individual device that's the problem.

    You can read more about successfully replacing a failed flash chip in a nuvi 1410 with one from a nuvi 205 (related series, similar PCB) in this thread here: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. In that case the chip was only required to be reflashed with the correct fw to work. That's because the region layout is the same and so full reprogramming wasn't required.

    It's not feasible or even appropriate to give detailed guidance for such a delicate procedure here of course. I recall reading some years ago about a tech from a (non-official, perhaps) Garmin repair centre in Eastern Europe who managed to replace a failed flash chip with a microSD using jumper wires from its board connections to the card somehow. No idea how that's possible but maybe the card was the same brand as the chip and had same controller, etc .... Dunno really, but he'd have needed to reprogram it for sure.
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    i def aint repairing this - it will be in my pile of stuff incase someone local needs a screen etc.... my soldering these days is wiring for skidoos an trucks - 30yrs ago i did recap a p2 board, but eyes dont work so good any more - way beyond my skillset and tooling....

    appreciated for the help - and at least i didnt spend $250CAD to hear not salvageable by a guy doing the same u gave me guidance for....

    top marks for your help - if you ever make it to Labrador, touch base, i will get you a meal and a beer.... it was a good learning experience for me - ironic tho my failed gps has samsung chip that failed since i got a flilp7, book pro 360 and watch from them......

 

 

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