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    Quote Originally Posted by osiris4isis View Post
    BTW, the act of modifying data (firmware, map, etc...) and propagating it in lieu of a EULA is a violation, that I agreed. I just don't think any means of providing such capability (proggy, info, etc...) should be part of the EULA. There is a distinction of providing a tool and using a tool. On point 6, that is correct. the author of gimgunlock didn't propagate any cracked data. As a matter of fact, he never posted his tool anywhere (it was someone else who posted it here)
    He didn't publicize it but posted it and other tools quite openly about 9 years ago but nobody in the western garmin circle noticed it or if they did they kept it quiet. I recall it was syzygy who posted it here (around 2012?) but we found out later that it was known in Chinese forums well before that.
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    So is all Garmin patcher to be removed from this forum? How about all of the replies to help people with issues with their devices?
    Any decisions like that about firmware patchers or modded firmware for cross-flashing will be made here by others of course, same as with the patcher thread. I see the dog tracking threads have also gone, probably because of different reasons entirely to the patcher thread though. I'm thinking that's the limit because the patcher and dog tracking threads all went pretty-much together. Time will tell I guess.

    Helping ppl with bricked devices is another thing entirely and regardless that it involves making cure firmware which technically also breaches Garmin's EULA I doubt they would give two hoots about it. So, I'll happily continue to openly help users recover bricked devices. Garmin routinely refuses to help ppl recover bricked devices, telling older device owners "it's irrecoverable so just toss it" or similar. They offer an exchange program for newer out-of-warrenty devices but it's almost as expensive as buying a new device retail and really it's probably an enormous pain in the ass for them to maintain a stock of restored devices for exchange. Helping the owners of bricked devices here certainly doesn't cost Garmin financially the way offering patched protected firmware does.

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    Important User Garmin DEZL 770 does not show topo map
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    FWIW, he posted it in a source repository (github.com) which is not a forum. If Garmin allow "cure firmware" then they are doing half and half. Allowing one thing and restricting another of the same category (modification of original product) Nothing worst than being a hypocrite.
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    True, github isn't a forum but i only linked that because it's got the date history. V0.01 was known in sosaw Chinese forum long before we got it as we found out after the event. So it was available in the Oriental garmin hacking world prob from 2009, just not the Western forums nor even the RU or other Eastern bloc ones. It was first made available right here at GPS Power in the West then spread like wildfire. Ultimately, the rapid distribution of gimunlock from here and the ease in which it unlocked maps was likely the main reason Garmin's fury was brought down upon the heads of the main map posters in this forum, in my firm belief anyway. There were maybe other factors too, patching of charts for modern protected marine devices would have added some fire in Garmin's belly I believe.

    As for the half 'n' half thing being hypocritical, that's a valid view. However, they're a 'for profit' business. So it's all about the money isn't it? Not meant cynically in my case, they're like any other commercial enterprise and will furiously protect their income stream, pouncing on things that might disrupt or reduce that. It seems they were quite slow in fact with taking action on unlocked maps. As for things like cure firmware which 'technically' breaches their EULA but doesn't cost them financially ... Pah! So what? They're highly unlikely to waste time and money stopping what is essentially just a free public service when it doesn't alter their bottom line. Here it is in your native lingo Tex

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    I guess we'll find out eventually whether garmin goes full-on about altered firmware like they did about altered maps. If it does happen, I doubt anyone in this forum wants it to be here again .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butters View Post
    As for things like cure firmware which 'technically' breaches their EULA but doesn't cost them financially
    Directly, it cost them the money that they get from fixing bad devices. Indirectly, it cost them the money people would spend on getting new devices.

    When it comes to laws, consistency and fairness matter much (you win or lose court cases on this.) If Forums reflect what Garmin wants regardless of it being consistent nor fair, then it's the downfall of the Forums.
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    OK think that is enough talk about copyright stuff.
    So long as you don't upload any UNLOCKED maps I can't see any problem supplying LOCKED maps.
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    Huh? The discussion was about posting patcher tools.
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    Indeed. The Universal Patcher thread simply caused it's own demise by degenerating into a request thread for ppl unable to patch firmware/compile kits, asking for others to do it for them. That was the problem I believe. The posts responding to those requests are what ticked the box for breach of EULA. Regardless, it's now gone but the genie is out of the bottle so let's see what happens next.

    The simple fact remains of course that Garmin's EULA treats all of it's licensed data exactly the same. Maps, firmware, software are all equal under their licensing. Nothing in that data, not one single Byte, should be changed. That doesn't alter my firm view that it's all about the money and what is costing them most will get the most attention. Good luck for a defendant who relies on their counsel arguing that "The complainant is not pursuing cure firmware makers therefore it should not make any claim against my client" when the district attorney or crown is prosecuting their client for map piracy or firmware protection hacking. That line would likely be struck out by the judge in pre-trial argument on points of law anyway. Law and it's interpretation by the courts should be and are usually based on common sense. "Two wrongs don't make a right" springs to mind. Again however, time will tell. Regardless, I'll still help ppl with bricked devices and make cure fw for them and be totally comfortable with that, but I'll not patch fw to enable unlocked maps in protected devices.



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    Can you please reupload patch for Dezl 770 (2002), cant use unlocked maps

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFox58 View Post
    Dezl 770 (2002) fw5.20.rar
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    Drive and DriveSmart 60-70 (2268) fw5.70.rar
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    Link doesn't work, please update link

 

 

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