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    Great Neil! I agree with everything you wrote, it's nice to read you telling thing in your super fluent English, like I wouldn't be able to do
    +1 for cars, phones etc, I'm not so consumerist. I don't understand this common urge in having the latest model lol
    The same doesn't apply IMHO to pc software and OS, fortunately for OS we have VMware so we can test all we want before the big change, I think updates are important for pc safety, may be I'm a bit paranoid with this, to such a point that some years ago I was using Windows in English to get updates earlier than if I was with the Italian OS.
    I hated 8, began to like 8.1 and I consider 10 very good and I wouldn't go back to 7, my 10 has exactly the same look of my old 7, but 10 has some great features 7 doesn't have and it's a way faster.
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    Well I do like cheese so I'm really tempted to go for it.
    I've already done a full Macrium Reflect backup image and a Rescue Media thingy (which I've checked DOES boot up my PC to the Reflect program OK) on an external hard drive so theoretically I'm good to go BUT I want a clear run at it allowing a couple of hours (or more??) so still reading/checking stuff out before I jump!
    Thanks for all your help & suggestions so far.

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    If you've got a macrium image of Win 7 you can restore it anytime but best to keep it totally separately, not even on another partition of the disc holding your system partition. If you want to be ultra careful take a cloned copy of it too, that way you can even restore it to a different HDD without problems but that's just me being a bit paranoid [i'm not, i just know everything and everyone's against me]. A clone will copy everything from the source to a different target disc, even the 'Disk ID' which is why i'm able to run my clone of original Win 8.1 on the same multiboot system as the one upgraded to Win 10. A clone is everything an image is and more as you probably already know:
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    Just clone your Win 7 partition to another partition on your PC, preferably on a different disc, then upgrade the original Win 7 to Win 10 and you can have a multi-boot system, even add Macium recovery to the boot menu in case something goes all poopy on you then you can boot into Win PE via Macrium without even using a recovery disc:

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    So you can have your [cheese] cake and eat it too, at least for a couple of days. What will happen to the original OS after 29th remains to be seen, but my Win 8.1 and Win 10 have different keys as did my original 8 when i upgraded it to 8.1. Both are showing as properly activated so i've got my fingers crossed:
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    I agree with Neil that best way is to meke clone of your system disk.
    Make upgrade with new (cloned) disk while original removed from system.
    Later you can boot from 7 or 10.
    No need for restoring from backup.

    I suggest you to try Windows 10 because I'm sure it will run smoother and faster on same hardware (if compatible).

    Good luck.

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    OK, now "reserved" my free upgrade so just waiting for them to notify me it's ready for me to download/install.

    Fingers crossed it goes OK but I will give you my honest feedback once done
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    Well, all done and still using my Classic Start Menu I don't really see any big changes (yet)
    I did unselect each of the "do you want to connect to MS" etc prompts when installing.

    Anything I REALLY do need to be aware of or action before too long?
    I'm still running Malwarebytes/IObit tools and both SRWare Iron & FlashPeak Slimjet (not sure which to stay with yet)
    One thing I have noticed is that some screens are a bit grey & blurred if you know what I mean?
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    If you're using Classic Shell like Caty and me then you get the best of both worlds, although i do like the standard Windows feature carried over from 8.1 to right click the start button to get this basic popup menu:

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    It's handy and i find i use it all the time. When i get on a 7 OS i'm looking for it to have those shortcuts. I spend most of yesterday upgrading 2 x laptops and a desktop from 7 to 10 for techno-phobic family members, installed Classic on all of them to help ease them in to 10.

    As far as MS's 'spyware' is concerned, even though you turned off those reporting 'features' during the install, use Destroy Windows 10 Spying as Caty suggested to completely neuter it. For antivirus and other spyware protection i use the built-in Windows Defender [in 7 that's only for spyware and you have to install Windows Essentials for antivirus, but in 8 - 10 Defender covers both]. I also have CrytoPrevent from FoolishIT and quite frankly i can't see the need for any other 3rd party free AV now.

    I haven't noticed any screen problems at all but i'm half-blind anyway.
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    OK, after a few tweaks/grumbles I think I'm kinda OK with W10 so far although I'm probably going to just let it and me get used to each other and after the 30 days thing may well do another backup then reformat my hard drive and clean install W10....perhaps!!

    Neil, you say you're not impressed with IObit Advanced SystemCare Ultimate but I do find it useful having one single "fix-all" tool like that but it's a pain because I can't stop it auto-starting with Windows and that forces Windows Defender to close because of the ASC anti-virus clashing with it.
    I'm tempted to just dump/uninstall the whole (paid for) ASC but are there any good/reliable all-in-one tools out there (which wouldn't clash) that can do similar things. As I say I already run Malwarebytes Anti-Malware and Ad Muncher alongside everything else so what do you guys reckon? I'm not paranoid about security (although maybe I should be), just cautious.
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    To block autostarting programs you have some options read:
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    I think Windows Defender is enough and it will have a big upgrade soon with the new August Update.
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    You can replace IObit Advanced SystemCare with the easy and simple CCleaner (free edition)
    I'd install Windows 10 Firewall Control free version too.
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    it works great and it's really simple to configure.
    after the 30 days thing may well do another backup then reformat my hard drive and clean install W10....perhaps!!
    Good idea!
    As I say I already run Malwarebytes Anti-Malware and Ad Muncher alongside everything else so what do you guys reckon? I'm not paranoid about security (although maybe I should be), just cautious.
    I run Malwarebytes from time to time, but it has never been active in background in my pc, if you use Slimjet you don't need Ad Muncher, adblock is integrated in browser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggerdave View Post
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    Neil, you say you're not impressed with IObit Advanced SystemCare Ultimate but I do find it useful having one single "fix-all" tool like that but it's a pain because I can't stop it auto-starting with Windows and that forces Windows Defender to close because of the ASC anti-virus clashing with it.
    Actually, rather than commenting on or being impressed or otherwise what i said in P#17 was:
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    As far as MS's 'spyware' is concerned, even though you turned off those reporting 'features' during the install, use Destroy Windows 10 Spying as Caty suggested to completely neuter it. For antivirus and other spyware protection i use the built-in Windows Defender [in 7 that's only for spyware and you have to install Windows Essentials for antivirus, but in 8 - 10 Defender covers both]. I also have CrytoPrevent from FoolishIT and quite frankly i can't see the need for any other 3rd party free AV now.
    Now that Defender is going to get the option for scheduled scans added in a few days time, i additionally can't see absolutely any reason for using any other AV, including a paid version of 3rd party AV either. CryptoPrevent is a must tho' if you run any free AV i think. And i agree with Caty totally that Ccleaner is all you need for other tasks, a myriad of them in fact.

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    I'm tempted to just dump/uninstall the whole (paid for) ASC but are there any good/reliable all-in-one tools out there (which wouldn't clash) that can do similar things. As I say I already run Malwarebytes Anti-Malware and Ad Muncher alongside everything else so what do you guys reckon? I'm not paranoid about security (although maybe I should be), just cautious.
    I think you'll find that Defender is disabled automatically by Windows 8 - 10 when you enable any other AV software.

    Starting with Win8, Task Manager has a 'Start Up' tab similar to that used by System Configuration [msconfig] in previous OSs. If you open System Configuration in 8, 8.1 or 10 and click the Start Up tab you be directed to use Task Manager. Autoruns was a handy program to use in Win7 and earlier but i haven't bothered with it in 8>. Ccleaner can do it too, Tools>Start up>Windows then select the program and disable/enable or delete it altogether. For a free 'all-in-one' it's unbeatable and the paid version is a cracker [but i don't use the paid one now on my private PCs, free is fine].

    Well, it's long past midnight 29th July here and even past midnight GMT so much of the world is 30th but still about 3hrs until it's midnight at Redmond. When does/did the free 10 upgrade offer actually end i wonder? My cloned Win 8.1 is still churning away happily on a small SSD in the same box running the hybrid HDD with 10 upgraded over the original 8.1. Both OSs have logged on to the server for updates without self-destructing in the last 15 mins. Maybe midnight EST in NA will be the 'witching hour'? ...... Let's see.

    EDIT: PS. It's now Saturday 30th by minimum of 24 mins everywhere in the World and my cloned Win 8.1 is still running and updating normally. MS has to be aware of the ability to do that so they clearly don't care if ppl continue to run their old OS alongside Win 10. I have to say i'm surprised that they didn't timebomb this however.
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