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    Another link.
    More improved zip..
    Now we can see the current frequency we have (typed) choose, on cockpit!

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    With few words.
    This is the more strong ux utility for frequency RDS!
    The same format as igo8 and primo (windows CE)
    Before 10 years.

    If this tool doesn't work ,We stop here!
    With No luck!

    I will ask you only one!

    1)does this tool Stop the AUTO SCAN?
    IF it does this, IT MEANS that it WORKS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by frontzosd View Post
    With few words.
    This is the more strong ux utility for frequency RDS!
    The same format as igo8 and primo (windows CE)
    Before 10 years.

    If this tool doesn't work ,We stop here!
    With No luck!

    I will ask you only one!

    1)does this tool Stop the AUTO SCAN?
    IF it does this, IT MEANS that it WORKS!
    Autoscan stops, but partially.
    Example:
    set with osk 99.6
    Autoscan stops, but the frequency does not stay stable, passes after 1 second at 99.9, after another 100.1, then returns to 99.6, and so on in continuous loop.This WITH RDS button disable (blue text button).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bixo View Post
    Autoscan stops, but partially.
    Example:
    set with osk 99.6
    Autoscan stops, but the frequency does not stay stable, passes after 1 second at 99.9, after another 100.1, then returns to 99.6, and so on in continuous loop.This WITH RDS button disable (blue text button).
    So the result is that
    1)the tool works!
    2)the auto scan finished
    3)we have a position for one price of frequency
    4)the device some times begun auto scan , but it stops
    From the command of the zip,
    With a small divergence of frequency!

    So!
    What do you think?

    Success or not?
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    Edit
    The device made auto scan! Sometimes
    I think that: this is something which comes clear from the device!
    For example:
    The randomly autoscans , do the same , us when, we type
    Frequencies in our keyboard...

    And us you understood, untill this time(this means,
    If there is something to do, I will do it and fix this !)
    We can't do anything!

    But
    My opinion is :
    NOT success, because with RDS we have
    VERY LOW data's bitrate!
    For this we need very strong signal and with changing
    Positions , the conditions becomes very difficulty!


    So!!
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    Points 1-2-3-4 is so, the chosen frequency remains locked only for a maximum of 4 seconds, then starts I suppose (without cause) auto scan of NG, and moves a few mhz up frequency, finally returns the right frequency as a set from OSK, and so on loop ... it does not depend on my device, I'm sure but from NG that does not hold the frequency chosen from osk, even if blue text button!
    The reason I do not know it, but live does it so.
    Other talk low bitrate RDS \ TMC ... but for speech above it certainly does not affect.
    Information obtained from RDS requires two concurrent factors together, this is certain.
    1) Fixed and stable frequency (this is fundamental)
    2) a good reception of frequency at the place where you are going (the same).

    If these two factors exist, then the RDS bitrate for TMC is ok, enough to receive TMC events, of course it is much slower than using TMC on line, which is a totally different situation where a server instead sends data, not a hardware device that gets TMC from an RDS frequency segment!
    The problem is to stabilize and fix a frequency when it is known to hesitate TMC information, so choose it now with OSK: if that's how it works after all the plugin you've done and I can have TMC video events.
    I used my own hardware with igo 8.3.5 and the choice frequency was perfectly stable, if you just disable autoscan with a special flag in sys.txt, I've always received TMC off line this way, no problem.
    NG, on the other hand, is very stupid about this, it behaves abnormally ...

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    Edit

    now for test in sys.txt I have remove the tree line of code,and the time of bad loop\freq. up is decrease...but exist...and not freq. fixed and stable.

    [tmc]
    saved_config_available="1"
    gps_source=0
    source="gnsport"
    internal_tmc_name="gnsport"
    enable_igo_provider=1
    port="COM,0"
    baud=38400
    tuner_model="TMC_GPSTMC_TUNER"
    ;internal_restart_timeout=15000 ;--> removed
    ;tmc_health_polling_timeout=1000 ;--> removed
    ;rds_health_polling_timeout=1000 ;--> removed
    tmc_provider_name_use_old=1
    tmc_provider_name=1
    announce_total_route=1


    Perhaps there is a particular timing for TMC \ polling timeout in some * .ini present of the "data" folder that fixes this timeout with default values that I can disable?
    I'll check!
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    Let's try this!

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    Use No1 first!
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    Whell...not tested new version above,I try after the new versions, but I have great news.
    I succeeded with the former plugin to receive free TMC events from Rai3 (Italian national broadcaster) with freq. Fixed and stable at 99.6MHz ... I will update later as I did, however good news, and TMC works with your plugin and my device


    Always serve tassative requirements 1 and 2 that I've listed above for TMC off line...


    EDIT
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    please upload files of new plugin 1 and 2 above with another server, zippishare ok...thanks.

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    picture of TMC off line working,thanks Frontzosd
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    Premise:
    @Frontzosd and everyone
    In my opinion and new tests it seems that the digit frequency oscillates because NG looks for valid TMC info on that frequency. If they do not exist, then try to autoscan up to find new frequencies, but as Frontzosd plugins block the autoscan it returns it to the frequency typed . However, if typed frequency contains valid TMC information (free or paid), the frequency freezes and does not oscillate, displaying TMC events.
    This seems to me the most logical explanation. But I can say that the Frontzosd plugin works perfectly on a frequency with TMC valid validation. We have to do the latest cosmetic touches (green typed text etc ..... but the plugin is almost finished.

    What I did to fix the frequency oscillation that I had before, even with valid TMC (although there is still oscillation, but as explained above, it now sets the frequency if TMC info is present):

    - Unzip my "data.zip"
    - Delete the entire folder "project_config"
    - Replaced this entire folder with that of another version of NextGen WinCE, I do not recall what ... but less recent than mine, where there are more entries than the TMC off line management (attached below).
    - Remake "data.zip" (for remake all zip of NG use old Winrar v3.9)
    - Replaced my old "data.zip" with this "data.zip" remaked

    In "sys.txt" write:
    [tmc]
    saved_config_available="1"
    gps_source=0
    source="gnsport"
    internal_tmc_name="gnsport"
    enable_igo_provider=1
    port="COM,0"
    baud=38400
    tuner_model="TMC_GPSTMC_TUNER"
    tmc_provider_name_use_old=1
    tmc_provider_name=1

    Note. The # of COM0 port is the one I use for Virtual COM Port , but it may be different for other users.

    DLLs right for NG WinCE: attach below.

    After serving TMC hardware ... I've built home made ... but you have to understand a lot about applied electronics and hardware design ... and create and install drivers that are appropriate to emulate the Virtual COM Port and WinCE 6.0 on the USB Host port.
    Everything is possible, depends on who has the ability to do this, possibly when everything is ok with the plugin if interested we can deal with TMC hardware discussion...

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    Only for Friend @Frontzosd

    I download the new files 1 and 2 to do the tests, maybe if I can do this tonight or tomorrow I try them live and tell you how they behave.

    Thank you.
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    UPDATE

    Test live on the road new plugin # 1 (# 2 test tomorrow I think):

    Great, very responsive.
    Here too we have the frequency typed that swings up, but I confirm my theory:
    Frontzosd plugin # 1 works correctly at 100%, freq. It does not stay fixed when we have these 2 situations, and this is logical:
    1) Digitized frequency belongs to an RDS station that does NOT have TMC information.
    2) the typed frequency has TMC information, but with an insufficient RDS \ TMC signal.
    In these two cases, NG tries to do autoscan search for new RDS \ TMC frequencies, but the Frontzosd plugin blocks after 2 or 3 seconds about autoscan, and backs up to the previously digitized OSK frequency. That's right!
    And it continues looping this situation ... but if the typed frequency (which has TMC information) gets a good RDS signal, this frequency automatically stays solid and stable, no autoscan, and I receive TMC events correctly.
    So plugin ok, the only known "problem" (as I have already explained, to use RDS \ TMC off line) is to have a good RDS signal with the frequency we know about TMC releasing, but this is ONLY the FM antenna of your car , to which I connected my TMC device, no Frontzosd latest plugin, which I repeat, now works!
    In my case, I know that BMW (my car) uses a phantom FM antenna designed on the rear glass, and amplifies the signal with two "diversity" antennas designed exclusively for a right gain in the BMW original multimedia devices.
    Change with 2 din units other than BMW, after you have to further amplify the gain of the FM antenna signal, to use TMC.
    I will design a simple FM signal amplifier (gain + 22db) and I hope to always have a good FM \ RDS \ TMC signal.

    What's important is that Frontzosd did a real miracle with his RDS\TMC off line plugin!

    @Frontzosd
    tomorrow I try the # 2 version of the plugin, let's see what is better, for the moment # 1 i say it's ok.

    Aesthetic request:
    1) Green color text after it appears while typing in the OSK screen. I use skin night always, and as you see from screenshots, black text is almost invisible, green is good for everyone, even those who use skin day and night. I propose even slightly larger + big font now, more visible in the car, maybe bold?

    2) OSK slightly moved down, now centered on landscape mode as you see in screenshots.

    3) Can you have a TMC screen slider in the future that highlights the power of the RDS segment of the digitized frequency?
    How did this the igo 8.3.5.
    Screenshots drawn with photoshop (no real!) to have only an idea of what I ask...

    Congratulations again for your job, great friend!

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    Dear friend.
    After lots of steps, the utility works perfect.
    I'm very glad to help you!!

    For the night mode , and the black letters inside smart keyboard, we can't change the color of fonts WHEN WE
    TYPE numbers!(this is data operation)

    But I made a smart trick!

    1)When you press the button to open your keyboard.
    Automatically you RETURN in day mode, for to see
    The numbers you typed !

    2)after you type your frequency and you return back,
    Automatically you return back in (auto / day or night mode)

    3)But for the mode (day/ night/ or auto). Which you want to return:
    You have, now a menu, in tmc settings, which
    You have already select, before ..
    Which mode you want!
    (After keyboard )!
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    Dear friend could you please , carry this converasation
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    until the last post!

    To this thread:
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    Because:
    1)its not the correct thread.
    2) i want to inform the first post with
    This tmc zip , useful tool for windows CE members.
    And
    With members @Bixo job. Everything about his creation
    To hardware for RDS signal strength!

    ---To @Bixo
    Dear friend, I ask you to write a reference on RDs and on
    your job, on top of that.
    Your job and my tmc zip, will inform the first
    Post here:
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    Thanks in advance!!
    ---
    This is PLUGIN#2 ,with the new feature:

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