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I was not lecturing you but since you are using that tone let me say:
I was not the one who started with that 'tone': "Oh comeon Neil, Checksum47 did post his topic in the right place - Garmin Map on Iphone. You gota help him so that he can help others. Thats how this community works!". Sure sounds like a lecture to me, exclamation mark and all. And i did try to help him, i simply just couldn't help using the crippled/incomplete info he gave. Read on.
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We are not off topic.
We can argue that all day, really doesn't matter now. Be aware that Mods/Admins regularly prune from threads, OT posts (not relating to the subject/topic as defined by the title/post #1), and non-information/non-helpful posts (those not adding to the knowledge of either poster and/or readers) including thanking posts AND exchanges such as this that have degenerated into personal discussion. Accordingly, much of this may end up on 'the cutting room floor' which is also why i said if you wanted to take it further to PM me. However, you chose to respond publicly. At first i was prepared to laugh it off while reading your assertions with my BS meter going off the scale, until i got to the last line and your criticism of "my" instructions, and your suggestion that you may have helped more people with 1 post than i have with 900+. As untrue as the former obviously is, and as unlikely as the latter might be, my innate sense of justice has kicked in and so i decided to reply.
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The 1st version of Garmin StreetPilot when released on the iPhone was using online maps without maps stored on the phone.
The 2nd version of Garmin StreetPilot was with maps stored on the phone - this is the normal StreetPilot version on all other garmin devices.
Dunno where you got any of that from... there are still 2 terms used by Garmin & Apple: 'Garmin StreetPilot on Demand' and 'Garmin StreetPilot' (on Board), and which came first the chicken or the egg.
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http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-streetpilot-ondemand/id440326367?mt=8
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-streetpilot/id411462555?mt=8
and the '2nd version' is not the 'normal StreetPilot version for other Garmin devices', Nuvi or others. More on this below.
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Because this was confusing, Garmin stopped using the word StreetPilot for the 2nd version.
No they didn't, see above, and Garmin USA, Garmin N. America & Garmin Western Europe also have this Description immediately after the title:
"Download Garmin StreetPilot® XXX and give your iPhone® or iPad® the best in GPS navigation with ..etc."
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http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-u.s.a./id435490305?mt=8
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-n.-america/id435740864?mt=8
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-western-europe/id434932570?mt=8
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Therefore for all devices (Nuvi, 34xx, 5800, etc) the program is known as Garmin StreetPilot except for the iPhone which it is only known as “Garmin”
No. Different fw & soft even on inter-related models of garmin units. None currently known as SP in any event. 5800 is a nokia smartphone (ok, not so smart now), running on S60V5 and it or any other Symbian device including those with earlier or later platforms, does not run an app named StreetPilot. GarminMobileXT runs on symbian up to S^3, but is totally different sw, and not known as SP. We will probably never see any more Garmin Symbian apps. Rumour has it that there may be an on-board one for Android later this year: [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]. Maybe they'll call it StreetPilot, who knows, but i think they might use the SP reference in some way for android. Garmin may not have had much say in it, but it's not used in Telstra's Garmin Navigator (on demand) android app in Australia, currently the only garmin android app worldwide. Info:
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https://market.android.com/details?id=com.garmin.android.obn.client&hl=en
The origin of the StreetPilot name is from a range of highly respected legacy hardware by Garmin. For example, some Info:
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https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=63&ra=true
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=6385
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=158
I would guess that Garmin wisely decided to use that well known and trusted name for their iphone app because of the name's 'Street Cred', perhaps. And they are still using it in either the name or description of their iphone apps. So they are actually ONLY using it for iphone at this time and not for their navigator units' software or anything else. Not vice versa as you stated.
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The reason @Checksum47 did not recognize the folder structure is because he is not using iExplorer
And that diminishes his responsibility, how? Again, why did he not disclose that he was using an app dl'ed from elsewhere, and further why he did not mention that he was using an altogether different file explorer to that specified in Post #1 ie iExplorer as you acknowledged.
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The actual folder is /var/mobile/Applications/???numbers???/garmin-nav.app/storage-usa/.System
But iExplorer will actually display a simplified structure which is Apps/USA/garmin-nav.app/storage-usa/.System making @Checksum47 confused as he could not find a USA folder.
At the risk of being repetitive, isn't it obvious who should tell who what so as to avoid ANY confusion.
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By the way, the topic title is wrong because everyone from the 1st post is talking about “How to install any Garmin map on Iphone”. Not Garmin StreetPilot,. The title must have been made before Garmin dropped the StreetPilot word.
If you think it's wrong, hit the report button on Post #1 and state your case. But bear in mind that Garmin have not 'dropped the StreetPilot word' at all. And have another look, maybe some people used shorthand somewhere, but many Posts mention SP.
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You may know more about Garmin but your instructions are not clear and I am wondering how many people you actually helped. At least I have helped one. That may be more than you have helped after yr 900+ posts.
And that's what tipped me over the edge to reply. They are NOT 'my' instruction. Read my replies to Checksum47, the 'instructions' by me are in accordance with and echo the very clear and understandable instructions in P1.... clear & understandable PROVIDED you are using the modded app from this thread and iExplorer and not some other unknowns, undisclosed by the poster. By criticising 'my' instructions, you are indirectly criticising the original author and translator of the instructions. That would be respectively neadrenalin & catymag. Both bl***y geniuses in my opinion. This is the original Russian post in e-trex by neadrenalin:
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http://e-trex.info/2011/12/17/garmin-iphone-v-2-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8B/#more-158
Only done 2 months ago, just before this thread start, still the StreetPilot word used, and by a man who is a God among guys who are absolute GPS fanatics. See post #9 for example.. ddabcd277 is no slouch in the garmin world and note his opinion.
It was catymag who flicked Checksum47 in the first place with a dismissive reply "Read Post n1----". I should have followed her lead but i felt a bit sorry for the guy because he was obviously fumbling around. Big mistake...his replies to me bordered on derision and abuse. That's why i gave up: Post 70, i finished up with "That's me done, sorry". Ok, he was frustrated, but obviously in retrospect not prepared to even help himself by being forthright as to what he was working with. Also i don't think he may have done much better initially with your instructions BTW, although yours were mostly just as clear as post 1 in my opinion. I say mostly because Notes 3 & 4 are wrong as far as most modern garmin maps are concerned, they cannot be fully unlocked with a keygen and they remain 'unauthenticated' because of the garmin gma protection. They need a *gma file as well as a *unl file, or they have to be unlocked with Fast Image Unlocker. As to his understanding of your post, this is his reply to you BEFORE he edited it:
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Finally, some instructions that are clear and have a valid file structure. Thank You omcx123. The only thing Im still confused abut is the ownership thing. Do I do that before I load the maps or do I have to do that after they are in the App. *And I dont know how to change the ownership to begin with. Do i need a special program to do that or should I just right click on the desktop and then go to get info?
(*Emphasis added)
So, had he read this thread at all before he posted initially? Or even after that. Probably not. Or even read your post fully before he made that reply. That subject has been done to death in this thread. And it was well covered in your tut too.
As to whether any of my posts have been helpful, anyone can judge for themselves by clicking on my username and selecting "View Forum Posts". This is one of only a few harsh replies i have ever made. Mostly my replies are light-hearted if people 'screw-up' unintentionally, and this sort of reply is reserved for who just post obvious rubbish. I think i actually dealt pretty fairly with Checksum47 in my reply to his post quoted above. It's a valid question as to why he didn't tell us what he was working with, and a reasonable assumption that he was using the app and tools from this thread unless he told us otherwise. It's an appropriate response to someone you didn't come clean. He had ample opportunity to do so, and he didn't. It's also appropriate because he seemed to be blaming the helper all the way for not understanding and then finished off with "Finally, some instructions that are clear and have a valid file structure". Why is his/your file structure any more valid that neadrenalin's? Your response on his behalf took me by surprise as i had actually praised you for working out what his problem was. So why did you 'take up the cudgels' for him? Who knows... and i really don't want to know that... it's rhetorical like any other 'question' in this reply.
So here's the deal... I've now got that out of my system. You may have actually believed that stuff you wrote about Garmin and StreetPilot however you obviously made no attempt to check the 'facts' before you posted. You appear to have a good knowledge of iphone/iOS and will probably be quite useful in that forum and i really don't wish to cause you any embarrassment that might discourage you from contributing further in Noeman.. So, if within 24 hrs you edit your post above this to something innocuous, i will similarly edit this tirade back to a couple of conciliatory lines. Or you can ignore this 'olive branch' and let the Mods/Admins decide what to do about this. It's over to you, and just remember that you should have PM'ed me.
