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    Quote Originally Posted by Giomen View Post
    Android OS is three step backward. OS likes Android already kill and will kill in future three fundamental capital investments: innovation technology development in production and OS engineering is two first, and overstated price on every decision with professional accent is last.
    For example, if Garmin switches to Android platform all that it will need that is owners with office staff. This list is exhaustive!
    The Free Enterprise market [read 'Capitalist System' if you like ] has a seemingly boundless capacity to find a way to make a Quid out of any changed situation. Having spent all but 7 years of my working life as a self-employed businessman [43 years in total, so you now know that i'm as old as dirt], I have INFINITE confidence that any free market will adjust. There are the 'nay sayers' who will cling to the old ways saying things like "stick to the tried and tested" or "better the devil you know than the devil you don't", and there are the 'Young Turks' [young in mind anyway] who will want to try everything and go blindly boots 'n' all into some new untested idea. I survived by keeping my head in both places and looking dispassionately at both new ideas which seemed to fit, and old systems which maybe were not quite matching up, with the changing market. In business whether big, medium or small, knowing where you're going is much more important than where you've been although that past experience is invaluable.

    Garmin may or may not join the Android revolution, but if they do join they won't be doing it without firstly deep market testing and modelling. Garmin are not a ship of fools i believe. The only way for them to survive in the mass [car] PND market may be for them to go 'multi-function' with an android OS. Their specialty markets [sports, outdoor, marine, aviation] will do fine with the present proprietary OS i believe.

    Opinions on what will happen in the future are just idle curiousity for those of us who's livings don't depend on it. One thing's for sure, nothing stands still because if no progress happens it's called stagnation. Also history tends to repeat itself and yesterday's innovator is today's bankrupt because he let some 'young turk' supplant him in forward-thinking just as he did years earlier.

    I think Garmin may have to embrace change for car PNDs or stagnate in that evolving market.
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    Android is the biggest market today and probably for the years to come, i think it's wise for Garmin to get involed not only by using this OS in a couple of nuvi models but by releasing StreetPilot for Android in Google Play also. Buying a device like 3597 that costs around 350€ only to navigate isn't the most popular choise, we live in a "multi" world that wants a lot of capabilities in one device even if they never use them. An Android nuvi like 3592 & 3595R with all the latest navigation features and the extra Android OS capabilities could be the combination that works for Garmin in a reasonable price, comparing Monterra and Montana prices i believe it can be done, especially after the 2013 nuvi series which showed Garmin that Navigonization of the nuvis won't do the trick.

    Anyway, no matter the OS lets just hope that Garmin will show something better for 2014, strong magnetic bases that take the devices out of your hands and new features that work only in certain regions isn't evolution, my hands are steady enough yet and i don't live in US to have these new features so i find no reason why buying a nuvi 3597 ...
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    Great post Neil!

    I think Garmin have introduced Android based nuvis in Taiwan because the Asian market is times smaller compared to EU or US markets. So they can experiment in such a products and their losses if such won't be big. I am also on the opinion of Gio that Android is a threat rather than a revolution to garmin. Things are much complicated there and the competivnes of devices using this OS is very high - tables, smartphones, PNAs etc.

    Lets also remember Garmin previous experience of devices based on an OS - iQue (if someone remebers a garmin Pocket PC), based on Palm and Windows Mobile and lastly nuviphones. Which genly said weren't very successful products. And at the end the nav. softwares of iQue and nuviphones were ported for free usage! Which is controversial how profitable this is. Also XT and SP.

    Because lets be hones. Profit is everything for the life of a company. If there is no profit the company won't exist. Like a human being. If there is no food there is no life. This is how to capitalism works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Their specialty markets [sports, outdoor, marine, aviation] will do fine with the present proprietary OS i believe.
    I think so! Garmin automotive market will die. I think that Garmin think so. All attempt to drive on Android it is only for support the map department in Garmin. It is necessary in any case because PND manufacture is live still and old device is need in support too. Garmin is not a one days enterprise. But the king is dead - long live the king. Garmin invested its money to Navigon. Navigon will be the new king with Android on flag. But is it Garmin we know??? Not sure for me at least. I love TLC 80 and 100 but not TLC 120...
    I venture to suggest what Garmin will catch wind with HUD (Head-Up Display) before Navigon fully substitute Garmin brand. Or two monitor dashboard system in car if this system could be reality in consumer autos. But it is unlikely in Android era. I do not see a new Steve Jobs on horizont...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddabcd277 View Post
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    I think Garmin have introduced Android based nuvis in Taiwan because the Asian market is times smaller compared to EU or US markets. .......
    Precisely! Part of their initial deep market testing as i called it. Dipping the proverbial corporate toe in the water before taking the plunge.

    Profit is everything for the life of a company. If there is no profit the company won't exist. Like a human being. If there is no food there is no life. This is how to capitalism works.
    Yes, again like I said the Free Enterprise [capitalist] market has a way of making a Quid out of any market change. But for there to be winners there have to be losers usually. If Garmin's toe freezes in Asia we won't see any more Android nuvis. I still firmly believe that an Android 'nuvi-only' device will do no better than conventional navigation only units. If they go mainstream Android they must go multi-function or they'll fail i'm sure with just nuvis.

    E, D, G & N .... we're all saying much the same things. No more nuvis soon as we know them anyway. Any other different opinions where this will go?
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    Not necessary multifunction navigation devices.
    Let it be only to navigate.
    but
    1. with a separate processor for virtually instantaneous calculation of routing graph with multiple parameters.
    2. smooth rendering maps and intellectual preloading it in RAM
    3. optional hud and realistic view map
    4. dual BIOS (boot) for assured recovery of a healthy state.
    5. something else ... a Merry Christmas
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    Не надо многофункциональных навигационных устройств.
    Пусть будет только навигация.
    Но
    1. с отдельным процессором для практически мгновенного расчета дорожного графа с несколькими параметрами.
    2. плавной отрисовкой карты и интеллектуальной предзагрузкой её в озу
    3. опциональными худ и реалистичным видом карты
    4. дуал биос (загрузчик) для гарантированного восстановления работоспособного состояния.
    5. что то ещё ... с наступающим Рождеством

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    It seems that you have confidence in a car navigation-only device without other added functions unrelated to nav. Reading 'between the lines', it seems you feel that Garmin need to strengthen the nav functionality of the device itself and refine its features adding HUD to the nuvi line for continuation of successful marketing. Or am i assuming too much?

    If i assume correctly, are you speaking as a dispassionate consumer or a nav. device expert? [I'm aware your knowledge of both hardware and software far outstrips your Important User title on Noeman, you see ]. Assuming that Garmin were to incorporate your intelligent suggestions into it's car navigators, it would add to the production cost as it would be revolution not evolution in design. I love the idea of dual BIOS especially. Another processor? Nice, but even more cost. No matter how good the device becomes in operation, even attaining perfection, if consumers don't want it sales will not happen. The better it is, the dearer it will be on the shelves. The lower the sales, the longer it takes to claw back initial production costs to enable the lowering of ongoing further production cost.

    As an amateur Garmin enthusiast I want to see your suggestions in the flesh. As a marketing realist I cannot see any nav-only portable car device even holding ground on sales from year to year. The 2nd-hand market is now flooded with nuvis because ppl use their smartphones and/or in-dash nav units exclusively. Smartphones are getting ridiculously cheap, in-dash is becoming cheaper and more mainstream. Year by year, more ppl give the nuvi to their kids or chuck it on eBay. Many electronics retailers don't even stock Garmin or TT here in AU now, citing lack of sales. NA is the same, i guess EU etc also. That means quite simply the shelf space is better used for lines which sell well. Basic nuvi-type devices are fast becoming a chain store-only line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Many electronics retailers don't even stock Garmin or TT here in AU now, citing lack of sales. NA is the same, i guess EU etc also. That means quite simply the shelf space is better used for lines which sell well. Basic nuvi-type devices are fast becoming a chain store-only line.
    Electronics retailers have main ace for this - none responsible absolutely! With Android devices you can easy to upload anew map SORRY in WC. Had you tried to perform this trick with Garmin Express???
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    I don't see people using cellphones for long trips. First a phone it just doesn't have the battery (and holding it plugged in is usually very cumbersome). If you want to talk too is already a pain.
    Also, it doesn't have the 3G coverage everywhere to pull the map data (at least not in US and AU)... Sure you have it on major highways, but there you don't need it anyway, signage is awesome.
    When you get lost "in the woods" is where a true GPS helps.
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    Sure:"Those are applications of GPS where a smartphone still isn’t up to the task. “Maybe free navigation is good enough,” Iddings ( Dawn Iddings
    Vice President, Business Development - Garmin) says, “but if you are a serious hiker and are going to hike up a big old mountain, you are probably going to want a better product.”
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