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    Quote Originally Posted by gshyoung View Post
    I can confirm that the V20/9 DVD is in fact not an OEM DVD, as I had to reinsert my original disc after my car's battery when flat...
    Actually, disregard this. At the time the battery ran flat, I had the "DVD minus loading.kwi" in the DVD slot. I'm sure that if I had the "DVD minus the POI" inserted, the navi unit would have booted up without any issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshyoung View Post
    I can confirm that the V20/9 DVD is in fact not an OEM DVD, as I had to reinsert my original disc after my car's battery when flat...
    Quote Originally Posted by gshyoung View Post
    Actually, disregard this. At the time the battery ran flat, I had the "DVD minus loading.kwi" in the DVD slot. I'm sure that if I had the "DVD minus the POI" inserted, the navi unit would have booted up without any issues
    Well, thanks for posting that correction. I had the below reply almost done before you posted that but got busy with moderating tasks elsewhere so just came back to see your post above. I thought about not posting it now, but on balance feel it may help explain fully the reasons for the disc sticking [absolutely no LOADING.KWI file]. I wonder what would happen if a zero bytes empty file was added, would it be ejected then?

    Quote Originally Posted by crabcooker View Post
    .............
    Previously I has burned the modified ISO (loading.kwi removed) to a SL DVD-R. This was semi-working as I described in an earlier post except WA (and NZ South) was missing in the search area yet the map was working fine. It appears the modified disc was no good as I disconnected the battery today for the other upgrades and when I connected the battery backup the DVD Nav system failed when I put the car ignition on - my main centre console display came up with a 'Consult Dealer' error. No Nav, Radio, Cameras, Trip computer etc etc. No button response at all. At this stage I was crapping myself.

    My mission was to then replace my DVD-R disc with the original V16 disc
    I resorted to removing the DVD-ROM drive from under the passenger seat. ............ Any way I successfully replaced the disc with the original and fired it up. The main display came back to life.
    Yes, because it's oem with complete [albeit slightly outdated] firmware on it.

    I then took the chance and put in the new and complete DVD+R DL disc. It loaded up fine and this time there was a loading progress bar - the modified single layer DVD-R disc didn't have this. .......
    It didn't have a loading bar, because there was no LOADING.KWI file on it to reload the firmware, not even any minor incremental updates/bug fixes which couldn't replace the complete fw into volatile memory anyway.

    ........ I'm not yet convinced the new DL V20 disc will load up properly next time like the original V16. I'll get the courage soon enough. .......
    Quote Originally Posted by crabcooker View Post
    ....... I had the main battery off for about an hour today and the Nav spat the dummy straight away after ignition on - screen was blank for about 10-15 seconds before the error message appeared. This was the first time I had disconnected the battery since I put the modified ISO DVD-R SL in a couple of days ago. .......
    Next weekend, and after a couple of cans of courage, I'll disconnect the battery again for another hour or so. This will test the unmodified V20 ISO on the DL disc .......... I'm semi-confident at this stage that the system will boot ........
    That's the definitive test as to whether the complete V20/V9 is OEM or not of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by gshyoung View Post
    The 'Consult Dealer' (or similar wording to that effect) also happened to me as well on my Lexus IS250 (when I was using a DVD+R with the loading.kwi file removed to fit on a SL disc).
    Yes, no firmware on it to re-write to v.m.

    Luckily, I googled the error and it was simply a sequence of touches on the nav screen to force eject the map DVD from the DVD slot behind the fascia (i.e. touching top RHS corner of the screen, followed by the bottom RHS corner). I re-installed the original OEM disc that came with the vehicle and everything started working again (navigation, rear camera, etc).
    Great find, thanks so much for that. Did the disc eject on the corner touches only or did you need to hold them while pushing eject as well?

    I'm hoping the 2-step/2-disc update process I followed this time should alleviate any need to revert to the OEM disc should the battery be disconnected again...
    I doubt it will, the fw is loaded to v.m. so is always lost where there's a prolonged power-down. Without a power-down, loading the V20/V9 with only the POI's removed still enables your unit to benefit from some minor updates because [if i'm correct] the LOADING.KWI is cumulative which is why you'll see a loading bar even if there hasn't been a power-down. So there are 2 scenarios when you see a loading bar [OEM disc with complete fw or map data disc with minor updates] and only one when you don't [a map data only disc with absolutely no software updates, cumulative or incremental i.e. no LOADING.KWI file at all]. A complete power down with a disc with no LOADING.KWI file will result in 'consult dealer' error message and a stuck disc. If there's no power down, the fw is still in v.m. so the absence of loading.kwi doesn't matter.

    Edit: Anyone know when the next WhereIS map update is due?
    They seem to be issued annually but with map data one year behind. So this year's V21 disc, due in Q3 i guess, will have 2014 UBD data. My V15 2009 OEM C2 disc had 2008 UBD map data.

    Quote Originally Posted by gshyoung View Post
    I can confirm that the V20/9 DVD is in fact not an OEM DVD, as I had to reinsert my original disc after my car's battery when flat...
    But wasn't that the SL V20/V9 disc you had in without LOADING.KWI? Did you also try the complete V20 DL or the SL without POIs but still with the KWI file?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    [B][COLOR="#0000FF"]Great find, thanks so much for that. Did the disc eject on the corner touches only or did you need to hold them while pushing eject as well?

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    But wasn't that the SL V20/V9 disc you had in without LOADING.KWI? Did you also try the complete V20 DL or the SL without POIs but still with the KWI file?
    Hi mate,

    To force eject the maps DVD when faced with the 'consult dealer' error, simply touch the top RH corner, followed by the bottom RH corner. This touch sequence will initiate the unit to eject the DVD. No need to press or hold any other button. I'm not sure if this is a universal touch sequence for all Lexus/Toyota models, but it definitely works on the Lexus IS250.

    In regards to the V20/9 disc, I had the 'no loading.kwi' disc inserted when the battery went flat. I'm almost certain that if I had the 'no POI, but with loading.kwi' disc inserted, I wouldn't have gotten the 'consult dealer' error. Haven't tested it though :P

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    The worst thing that would happen in that case would be that the disc will be rejected if it's not got full fw on it [i.e. not OEM], that's all and no locking of the unit should occur.

    If any of you guys are feeling brave now that there's a known method to master eject a disc, here's an empty LOADING.KWI file to experiment with. Unzip it and replace the original file in V20. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    The zip file size of 156 bytes is only due to it being compressed, seemingly paradoxically. The actual kwi file is 0 bytes but that extension type is not allowed as an attachment on our server.
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    For those who don't want to use DL DVD's, you can delete the POI data files below that you don't need in order to free up the space. You need to remove ~80MB to fit on a SL DVD, in my case I removed both NZ files and all is good. This way you can leave LOADING.KWI, and unless you car travel's across the pond you'll never notice.

    Australia
    IDX\POISR001.IDX - WA - 148MB
    IDX\POISR002.IDX - NT - 15MB
    IDX\POISR003.IDX - SA - 111MB
    IDX\POISR004.IDX - QLD - 274MB
    IDX\POISR005.IDX - NSW/ACT - 522MB
    IDX\POISR006.IDX - VIC - 395MB
    IDX\POISR007.IDX - TAS - 39MB

    New Zealand
    IDX\POISR008.IDX - NORTH ISLAND - 215MB
    IDX\POISR009.IDX - SOUTH ISLAND - 81MB

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    Hi guys,
    Is there a faster way to download this file other than the 11 rar files on uploaded.net? One part every three hours is annoying!

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    Hi everyone,
    I followed the way trannhan81 explained and burned 2xdvd+r.
    Got the firmware from there -
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    When inserted into GPS and translated what it says - it was something like wrong version of software inserted.

    Car is toyota mark x 2006.

    Please advise if anything i'm doing wrong or shall i install older version of software?

    Regards,

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    G'day uniqo, welcome to GPSPower.

    That's a 'grey import' into NZ i guess. Sorry, although its almost certainly a Denso unit it'd run totally different software to the official AU/NZ Toyota GPS units. Maybe if you ask the importers they can suggest something. Good luck.
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    Hey Neil, just an update, as i played with the unit today after work.

    So i logged into that "secret menu" by pressing top right - bottom right corner and here i chose some option, as it all was in Japanese i'm not sure and it came up with various choices of AU-NZ, US, US1, JAP and other buttons. So i chosen AU-NZ one and unit have rebooted and loaded back with maps in english! Success! It shows me local NZ map and speaks english voice!
    Though now i can't get back to that "secret menu" as i think it has been patched with update. Does anyone know how to get there now? Car is Toyota Mark X 1st gen to make sure.
    Also the rest of the unit is still in english, which is no surprise, but maybe somebody knows what software i should get for it?

    Thanks in advance

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    Wow! Nice find mate. I think what has now happened is that the AU-NZ option button selection has allowed the software on the disc [LOADING.KWI] to load to the unit and that's why it can now see the local map [which is on the disc only, the map data is never loaded to the unit memory, it's always read 'on the fly' from the disc]. Did you see a green loading bar appear after you choose 'AU-NZ' with your burnt disc inserted?

    Maybe if you disconnect power from the unit for a while, it will lose the local version again because i guess it's like in official AU/NZ units where it's written only to the volatile memory. The risk of course is that if that's correct, then you almost certainly have overwritten the Japanese Multi-national software/firmware, and if you don't have a Jap.OEM disc you can't restore it. There's also the chance that the original soft/fw is still there maybe. You should be able to write back the AU/NZ from this WhereIs disc without problem though i'd think[?], even if it doesn't revert to giving you the country options again.
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