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    Default POI's ?

    Who is responsible for the POI's ?
    Is it Sygic or TomTom / Here ?
    I noticed that POI's in my neighbourhood are sooo old, many shops etc are gone for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rider View Post
    Who is responsible for the POI's ?
    Is it Sygic or TomTom / Here ?
    I noticed that POI's in my neighborhood are sooo old, many shops etc are gone for years.
    Does it really make a difference.
    I know what store that are in my neighborhood I do no not need a GPS to tell me.

    If I am traveling someplace else I park my car and walk around and see what shops are near the hotel I am staying in.
    Again I do not need a GPS unit to tell me that.
    In fact I turn off all those POI's do not need them.

    If I really need a shop I look it up on google in the city or country I am staying in and get it's location and add that in as a favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asprin624 View Post
    Does it really make a difference.
    I know what store that are in my neighborhood I do no not need a GPS to tell me.

    If I am traveling someplace else I park my car and walk around and see what shops are near the hotel I am staying in.
    Again I do not need a GPS unit to tell me that.
    In fact I turn off all those POI's do not need them.

    If I really need a shop I look it up on google in the city or country I am staying in and get it's location and add that in as a favorite.
    But that was not my question. Who makes them ?
    Some poi's are useful but if they are not updated they are useless.
    I could also say that when I'm abroad I don't need gps because I have a roadmap with me .

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    ^^Agreed - the whole point of POIs is so that you have a nice, easy way to find things *without* having to "walk around" and find them! Most people don't have the time to "walk around" to explore places when traveling! :-) That's why GPS and POIs are so useful! :-) You don't always have the opportunity to search for POIs around your destination on-line ahead of time. Again, thats the beauty of GPS and POI's.

    That being said, we'll never have a POI database that is 100% accurate. They are not updated on a daily basis. But they're still useful. As to who decides whih POIs go into the database for each release and how they are verified, I have no idea.

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    @ jtroshy,

    Good point.

    But TomTom which are based in Holland spend most of their time updating the roads.

    I would think POI would be secondary on their list.

    Now that being said if any country that would have up to date poi's it would Holland seeing that the Company is based in that country.

    So if Rider wants to have the poi's updated in Holland then he needs to contact TomTom.

    But then again do they have time for that? Stores come and go so quickly it would take a team just to handle poi's alone.

    Most big store will always be there, it is the little stores that do not hang around very long.

    Sygic and any other company buys the map packages and the POI's that come with it.


    And a small note jtroshy how good are the poi's in the Here maps????

    This is how Here Map POI's can be updated by Navigon:

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    I would think it is done the same way for any other company using Here Maps.

    I would think the same would go for Tomtom Maps

    But in most cases it comes down to user input.

    So one would have to take the time to report POI correction, removals and new poi's.
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    For me, good POI integration is of paramount importance with any Navigation. You can have the best GPS navigation but with poor POI database it's pretty much useless.

    In that respect, I prefer those navigations with Foursquare integration (as you can find plenty places nearby). Navigon has one of the smoothest Foursquare implementation. The only downside - it shows only nearby places, you can't search for Foursquare results in Paris while in Berlin. That's where TomTom comes on top (not TomTom Go but the other version for IOS), it gives you Foursquare results no matter where you are.

    While I was in Dubai, I was testing Here Maps vs Navigon - Here Maps had quite poor POI database, showing only few results where Navigon really nailed it. Every bar around me was there. On the other side Here maps nailed it with public transportation ( I was amazed how well it worked).

    I have an account with Here Maps Creator, reporting places, but that's a long shot if you ask me.

    Proper integration of Fourquare/Tripadvisor/Booking/Viator is way to go (something Sygic is trying to do, but miserably fails in its implementation).


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    Not sure how much this will help, but I will tell that I am using openstreetmap poi database with sygic latest nt maps from on-the-road app (free on google play). I just took .pnm and .poi files from OSM maps downloaded in beonroad and everything works like charm.

    You can even use beonroad maps in sygic if you copy content.info from beonroad into sygic. Tested on sygic 14.3.4.

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    I am trying to get my head around all of this.

    You might know what stores are in your neighborhood

    But you drive to the next city you might not know what stores are there.

    That being said and your POI's tell you that XYZ store in on the next block.

    But you get there and it is not.

    So what. You are not going to turn around and head home because your GPS app was not correct???

    No!!!

    You park the car and ask someone who does not know anything about the city he or she lives in.

    Or you go back to the hotel you are staying in and ask.

    Or you sit down in front of a PC in the Hotel and search.

    Or you use your smartphone and search while your are walking around after you parked your car.

    It is not the end of the world if some poi's are missing or are incorrect on your GPS app.

    There are many other ways to find what you are looking for.

    Poi's are not going to tell you the rating of the restaurant.

    Poi's are not going to tell you what is on sale in a store.

    You need to get off you backside and walk around and look at what there is to see.

    You even might find a restaurant or bar that was not on your GPS poi list and have the best time of your life.

    You might even find the best coffee shop in Holland and spend the whole weekend high.

    POI's are not the holy grail. Just a tool to help you out.

    Without user input there will always be mistakes or missing poi's.

    So if something is missing or incorrect inform the map company of it.
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    I don't think anyone is saying that POI databases are the end-all, be-all databases of places. The OP was just wondering who maintains the POI databases - most likely so he can report inaccuracies in order to make them more useful. :-) There is nothing wrong with trying to improve the accuracy of the databases.

    Besides finding places you don't know of, POIs are also great for getting directions to a place by name instead of having to look up the address on the internet first and then manually typing it into the GPS system. POIs are a convenience - nothing more, nothing less. But I too would rather them be as accurate as possible. It's much more convenient than having to pull out your cell phone and search for something (assuming you even have a cell phone). You don't need to know the rating of a McDonalds! :-)

    When these systems were designed, it was before everyone had a cell phone - so while the POI database isn't quite as important as it once was, it's still more convenient than having to pull out your cell phone and look things up manually.

    I applaud the OP for wanting to help increase the accuracy of the POI databases!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandza View Post
    Not sure how much this will help, but I will tell that I am using openstreetmap poi database with sygic latest nt maps from on-the-road app (free on google play). I just took .pnm and .poi files from OSM maps downloaded in beonroad and everything works like charm.

    You can even use beonroad maps in sygic if you copy content.info from beonroad into sygic. Tested on sygic 14.3.4.

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    Pandza,

    Tried to install beonroad from Google Play, installs without problems but when I launch it wants to download ,than I get : oops, something went wrong.
    Can only close it.
    Any idea ?
    Want to try Openstreet maps with Sigic.
    Maybe you could only put a few maps for download ( Holland ) ?

 

 
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