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    Quote Originally Posted by the_bookworm View Post
    It will matter, as long as you compiled the file using it.
    Also, I've randomly checked a couple of dozen points from file you shared - all of them had the speed indicator = 0. No matter which category/bmp they had.
    And there is no indication of any sound-file attached to any point (of course only ones I've checked) and did not find any trace of such file inside the .gpi. So, my suggestion, as long as there is no sound file, you will get the usual "ding-dong" alert.
    Yes that is the odd thing, there are icons with white number in red background (15,25,30,35,40,50,60,70,80,90,100,110) But the speed setting in the alert record is always 0. Simulating will always activate those alerts because you are always going above 0. Need a way to check if speed limit is truely working (for Nuvi couldn't you set speed you are traveling in simulation mode?) Below are coords of some of the 60 limit alerts
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    Yes, there are no audio data in .gpi file, but for that 1% (it crashes 99% of time) that I got simulator working under android Street Pilot, I hear voice announcement when approaching alert with the speed icon (just it saying the number like "Sixty" for a 60 icon.) This led me to believe that maybe they are using those two new record types for something (or "hacking" it so it would behave that way under android) Or maybe it's just announcing the name of the POI when approaching (which it doesn't do for the .gpi that I've built) So for those who has android Street Pilot, please simulate going to one of the above POI and see if you hear voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osiris4isis View Post
    Scanning entire .gpi, there seem to be only ONE at LatLon=24.7327100,121.7163870 Please verified and snapshot.
    Speed-limit sign "60" is located at these coordinates, see the screenshot:
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    Quote Originally Posted by osiris4isis View Post
    Out of curiousity, where did you get the V2015.10 .gpi? I wonder if it's specifically made for a particular Garmin unit.
    See download links for various devices [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnfhbr View Post
    Speed-limit sign "60" is located at these coordinates, see the screenshot:
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    I mean snapshot of "Alert Info" on Nuvi so someone who understand Chinese can tell us what it is

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnfhbr View Post
    See download links for various devices [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    Ah ok, I had downloaded the smallest file (92.31MB contains Taiwan Map Image 2015.10) to see if it works on android Street Pilot (it did but crashes a lot on my 800x480 phone)

    Do you know what is so special about XT that it required a different build? I see it is done for Russia speedcam as well. For non-XT the text is Cyrillic and I can see it correctly decoded, but for XT it's garble. They are both using the same Unicode codepage.

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    Looks like the Mobile XT version is using codepage=1251 for Cyrillic but encoded Unicode in .gpi For non-XT it's using correct character set in Unicode for Russian language.
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    From my Chinese sources:
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    1. Man/Women "bathroom" icon -> Service Center (really? Redlight district?)
    2. White camera with red background -> Speed Camera
    3. White dollar sign with blue background -> Toll Booth
    4. 2x4 white horizontal dashes with red background -> Keep distant from car ahead (or No Tail Gating)
    5. Black camera with red background -> Video Camera
    6. White exclamation point with red background
    7. Exclamation point on top of road *NEW* -> Shoulder lane open
    8. X mark on top of road *NEW* -> Shoulder lane close
    9. Down arrow on top of road *NEW* -> Emergency lane open

    So the DateTime restriction put on those new POIs make sense now; especially when it's at limited time M-F and pretty much all day on weekends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osiris4isis View Post
    I mean snapshot of "Alert Info" on Nuvi so someone who understand Chinese can tell us what it is
    Ok, see this screenshot:
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    But the alert "White exclamation point with red background" is not in this location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnfhbr View Post
    Ok, see this screenshot:
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    But the alert "White exclamation point with red background" is not in this location.
    Ack! Me bad. While searching for that icon, my proggy found it in the category definition section and since I told it to print the last LatLon value which happen to the last POI coords. So you're correct, it's defined but not used. Too bad. My parser is a simple linear one pass and not hierarchical (so it doesn't know if it's outside a POI or group as it churned away)

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    Maybe they will use it in their next .gpi release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osiris4isis View Post
    Yes that is the odd thing, there are icons with white number in red background (15,25,30,35,40,50,60,70,80,90,100,110) But the speed setting in the alert record is always 0. Simulating will always activate those alerts because you are always going above 0. Need a way to check if speed limit is truely working (for Nuvi couldn't you set speed you are traveling in simulation mode?) Below are coords of some of the 60 limit alerts
    The speed settings is 0, but I spot that all (checked by me) points have field Contact like for example "Homepage: *something-in-chinese*NE@110". Here I remembered how the POI Loader worked - you can put the @SpeedTriger at the end of the name of your POI and it will go like speed alert. What if Garmin uses this particular Contact field for speed triger purpose? As we know the software for generating cyclops .gpi is highly customized, so could it be?

    Unfortunately my nuvi is not capable of changing simulating speed. Same the StreetPilot.

    Quote Originally Posted by osiris4isis View Post
    From my Chinese sources:
    Spoiler: .

    1. Man/Women "bathroom" icon -> Service Center (really? Redlight district?)
    2. White camera with red background -> Speed Camera
    3. White dollar sign with blue background -> Toll Booth
    4. 2x4 white horizontal dashes with red background -> Keep distant from car ahead (or No Tail Gating)
    5. Black camera with red background -> Video Camera
    6. White exclamation point with red background
    7. Exclamation point on top of road *NEW* -> Shoulder lane open
    8. X mark on top of road *NEW* -> Shoulder lane close
    9. Down arrow on top of road *NEW* -> Emergency lane open

    So the DateTime restriction put on those new POIs make sense now; especially when it's at limited time M-F and pretty much all day on weekends.
    It all make sence now. Especialy the lane closing/opening. But also it seems that Garmin (or whoever released this .gpi) is start to using these files for in quite unusual way. I mean - why put "Service Center" in cyclops-type .gpi if it is impossible to perform a search for this pois? Or maybe there is again an option in some software/hardware platforms to perform such action? Even to combine cyclops-type and ordinary GPICreator-type files...

    I've found two (obviously) speed limit cameras with 110 icon and between them there is two "2x4 white horizontal dashes with red background" (near 24.211574 N, 120.669619 E). So "No Tail Gating" also have some logic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_bookworm View Post
    The speed settings is 0, but I spot that all (checked by me) points have field Contact like for example "Homepage: *something-in-chinese*NE@110". Here I remembered how the POI Loader worked - you can put the @SpeedTriger at the end of the name of your POI and it will go like speed alert. What if Garmin uses this particular Contact field for speed triger purpose? As we know the software for generating cyclops .gpi is highly customized, so could it be?

    It all make sence now. Especialy the lane closing/opening. But also it seems that Garmin (or whoever released this .gpi) is start to using these files for in quite unusual way. I mean - why put "Service Center" in cyclops-type .gpi if it is impossible to perform a search for this pois? Or maybe there is again an option in some software/hardware platforms to perform such action? Even to combine cyclops-type and ordinary GPICreator-type files...
    I find no Cyclop alert records in the .gpi; only regular POI with BearingList and CircleList for directional alerts. I believe the @<speed> at end of POI name was just a way to tell POI Loader to create POI and setting the speed limit field of the alert record. It might be artifact from the source of the alert (or just a convenient way of annotating info) Not using the speed limit field and going around it is just silly (waste of resource)

    I think the "Service Center" is just lost in translation. Who knows the actual meaning of that alert unless you're there and witness the alert yourself. But I wouldn't be surprised if there are "special routine" to handle the data from the new record types similar to Cyclop alert type (special display of info bar, icons and sound)

    What fascinate me is the DateTime record, this is first Garmin release .gpi that uses it. I wonder if you need a unit with correct software that able to use it for it to work. I remember a while back, some people wanted have Schoolzone working accurately with DateTime restriction. Some was able to see it working on some units but not all. The Schoolzone data was taken from map instead of .gpi....It would be great if we can get it in .gpi working on most units. If anyone want to help test DateTime functionality, just tell me what LatLon and DateTime you want POIs to be created and I'll make .gpi for you to test (need real driving to make sure it's working correctly)
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    Quote Originally Posted by osiris4isis View Post
    What fascinate me is the DateTime record, this is first Garmin release .gpi that uses it. I wonder if you need a unit with correct software that able to use it for it to work. I remember a while back, some people wanted have Schoolzone working accurately with DateTime restriction. Some was able to see it working on some units but not all. The Schoolzone data was taken from map instead of .gpi....It would be great if we can get it in .gpi working on most units. If anyone want to help test DateTime functionality, just tell me what LatLon and DateTime you want POIs to be created and I'll make .gpi for you to test (need real driving to make sure it's working correctly)
    Just tried with some DateTime options - alert type "Along Road" distance=300m and speed=0 - and this one was triggered on my old nuvi, but it seems to work on android StreetPilot... On SP the icon is still visible, but no any visible or audible alert are shown.
    Also tried different type (Tour Guide) for nuvi, but the alert was trigered again.
    So, it seems DateTime depend on the software version.

    On the other hand, I got only visual alert on the SP, while there is audio- & visual alert on the nuvi with absolutely same .gpi file.

    osiris4isis, here is my test point, so if you want you can prepare some .gpi for testing (<Geo><Lat>42.1829</Lat><Lon>24.7382</Lon></Geo>)

    UPD: Tested same poi-set on GarminMobilePC - the alert was triggered, there was both visual and sound, but the tone was standard "ding-ding", not the one the poi was compiled with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osiris4isis View Post
    I think the "Service Center" is just lost in translation. Who knows the actual meaning of that alert unless you're there and witness the alert yourself.
    In my opinion, it warns of approaching the ramp to service area.
    Most likely, the alert "Man/Women "bathroom" icon" is the "Exit to service area", see the screenshot:
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    Exit 服務區 = Exit to Service Area

 

 
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