Thread: Truck support in NG versions

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

Just tested that today.
I put the 5.5m height in truck profile and deliberately went on the road with 4m tunnel (under a bridge to be exact). Just before the passing it says that my vehicle is not capable of passing through selected road and there were two buttons instead of plain "DISMISS" like in other alerts I saw. The buttons were "IGNORE" and "ACCEPT" in terms of accepting or not accepting the warning and planning a completely new road.

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Originally Posted by the_bookworm

Ludo, I'm quite sure that no NG's without additional skins are able to show the alert sign onto the map (like overlay), if thats what you mean. Maybe with some additional skins/ux this is possible.

Correct. So far only truck.zip provides that.

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

The alerts on the screenshots I posted come, as I suggest before, as follows.
The data (information) comes from .ftr-files, which have all the additional map data - weight limits, height limits and so on. It is used as additional data by the routing engine to avoid (if possible) roads not permitted for the profiled vehicle.
The visual infromation comes from truck.zip and it consist of additional more descriptive messages and additional signs (the ones on my screens). But I'm quite sure there is no additional information or different algorithms in truck.zip.

With truck.zip UX, the only additional info is insertion of routing restriction in routing screen. There is no additional nor special algorithm added.

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

Also, I never get turn restrictions with distances (refering the screenshots) before using truck.zip. And I never have such sign if the selected vehicle is CAR, for example.

Correct. This is why I keep asking for it and finally posted the codes to prove that it should display it.

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

I'm not a truck dirver, but I drive a large cargo van (panel van?) so sometimes I prefer to avoid small, narrow streets and then I switch to truck-profile. And, of course, as you already mention - one must use the grey matter wisely and frequently

Regadrs

Ditto. I have people that drive camper and large truck that height might be restricted on some underpass/bridge that don't want to get stuck.

Look at post 38, 43, 45 and 51 from Wojpen.

Truck does work, but you don't get the warn signs for height and other truck signs osiris4isis mentioned in post 33 ( on the side of the screen you don't get the height icon or every other one ).

Only warning you get is the big screen warning like in my post 45, that's real life route.( same thing as the bookworm has )
On route calculating you don.t get any warning at all, but when you take a look at the route profile, you can see he's taking another route to avoid tunnels etc, according to the setting in truck profile.

Only thing i have is that i dont have fully map coverage in the Netherlands, there are several tunnels with warnings, but there are at least 2 tunnels wich the program or map don't work.
I tested with Here Q1 and Q2 2017 maps.
The Heinenoord tunnel on the A29 Highway can't be passed with 4,5m height, i have set 4,5m in my profile, but i don't get any warning at all, not in calculating, not in route summary, not in real life.

Like i said before, truck is working, but without the signs, only the Warnings, thing is, when you get the warning there's no turning back in real life, and you do have a problem.
The route calculating is taking routes depend on you're profile, so normally you don't get to see the warning, because the planned route is not sending you through the tunnel.

When you look at my post 45, there's a tunnel ahead with height limit of 4,30m, my profile is set at 4,5m, just to test.
Route Calculation was taking me over the nearby bridge there a 2 exits before entering the tunnel, he guided me to take the 1st exit ( 1st picture ) wich i ignored, the program recalculated and wanted me to take the second exit, then i drove by the second exit and there's no turning back anymore, than i got the warning as showed, big screen says i can't pass the tunnel.

Thanks everyone for looking into this, and all input is welcome. grtz. Ludo.

I've looked again to the signs osiris4isis mentioned in post 33, and i think the bookworm might be right, i never seen this signs on the left, now i'm curious if he see's signs for weight and height on the same place.

He mentioned the big warnings, those are the ones Wojpen and i have post before.
But how comes when he set his profile to 5,5m the underpass the bridge there was no hight limit sign on the left of his screen, only the big warning, with accept or decline.

I wandering if at the program was able to find another route, i guess not.... to close to the bridge.
So when you hit accept you'll have to drive under the bridge and you get stuck......
So when you hit Decline the program throw's away the entire route and leave you behind standing in front of the bridge......
Bin there a couple of times with the accept or decline warning, when you see this one, you're on you're own....

I do think you're both are right according the working of the program or where the information is taking from, map, ftr, da, or program files.

I drive with truck profile for a long time and those Warnings where there from the beginning, so nothing new here.

When first truck navi's where on the market only thing what was mentioned always was, beware no full truck coverage for different countries.
And that has not changed, i can't rely on a full truck coverage map, and i don't think it has anything to do with the program itself.
The program is working as it should, it calculates other routes, it show's roadsigns acoording to the bookworm, and we do get Warning signs(Big Screen)
only thing missing is full map coverage for all truck attibutes, and that should be in the FTR files ?? like with the route i mentioned, no warning for the tunnel.

Everyone be free to reply or ask questions, happy to know we have The Bookworm on here too to test and change information with us.

grtz. Ludo

@Ludo, what is full version of proggy you're testing with? If possible, test with the Basarsoft version that wojpen is using (Arimi skin) that require license and make sure truck.zip UX is used to see if it's "fully" working.

iGO Gift 9.18.27.687519 with pongo skin on my main device and Basarsoft 9.18.27.659452 also with pongo skin on another one for testing.

Both have the truck ux working..

Gift 9.18.27.687519 with no skin + truck.zip should work "fully", already verified by the_bookworm. However, if you don't see it working "fully" with Pongo skin, try it without that skin.

Basarsoft 9.18.27.659452 with Arimi skin (that included truck.zip) should work "fully", but needs verifying. I don't like this version since it require license and so far only Europe has it.

In testing truck restriction, keep in mind the following properties (as I already stated in previous posts)
0. Extended settings for truck
1. Routing restriction shown in routing screen/menu (static)
2. Notification of restriction (dynamic)
3. Alert icons shown in cockpit (dynamic)

"static" means you see if BEFORE driving and also shown in simulation
"dynamic" means you see when driving (might not shown in simulation)

Originally Posted by Ludo Palinckx

Look at post 38, 43, 45 and 51 from Wojpen.

Truck does work, but you don't get the warn signs for height and other truck signs osiris4isis mentioned in post 33 ( on the side of the screen you don't get the height icon or every other one ).

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Like i said before, truck is working, but without the signs, only the Warnings, thing is, when you get the warning there's no turning back in real life, and you do have a problem.
The route calculating is taking routes depend on you're profile, so normally you don't get to see the warning, because the planned route is not sending you through the tunnel.

Totally agreed, Ludo!
But, I don't think it is designed to have signs for Height/Weight/e.t.c. on the left side or onto the map.

Just imagine the situation - you're driving straight on the road with few left/right side roads, and there is no weight/height limit on the main road (the one you driving at). Everything is smooth. But then you need to turn left, for example, and there is weight/height limit... If you have planned route, the programm will never put you on that road (or at least should not), but if you have driving without route planned, then how the software "knows" that you are goting to turn left on limited road?
My opinion, if the software shows ALL the restrictions, then the map will be cluttered with signs. Moreover, you will need to look at the screen of the navi to confirm your next maneuvre (road safety here!). And I don't see a way to audio alert the driver, that there are any restrictions before he/she turns on that road.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my interpretation of left side signs is - for example, in case of "Go straight for xx km" = "Do not make any turns from your route, because there you have some restrictions". This is on "free" driving, without any route planned.

If you have planned route, the software should try to avoid any restrictions, or in case of not possible avoiding, clearly indicate that you might be in some trouble And it always shows the restrictions in Route summary.

Is it logical or not?

Regards.

Originally Posted by Ludo Palinckx

He mentioned the big warnings, those are the ones Wojpen and i have post before.
But how comes when he set his profile to 5,5m the underpass the bridge there was no hight limit sign on the left of his screen, only the big warning, with accept or decline.

The navi route me at differend route, totaly avoiding the bridge *underpass). It was me, that make the "wrong" turn and went under it. It was just for testing, because I was curious how it will handle height limit. And I thik it handle it ok, because just before the bridge there is another road and the navi recalculate it in last seconds. But, I pass this turn again and it showed me the final warning.

Regards

Originally Posted by osiris4isis

Gift 9.18.27.687519 with no skin + truck.zip should work "fully", already verified by the_bookworm. However, if you don't see it working "fully" with Pongo skin, try it without that skin.

Basarsoft 9.18.27.659452 with Arimi skin (that included truck.zip) should work "fully", but needs verifying. I don't like this version since it require license and so far only Europe has it.

Just for the record, AVICSYNC 9.18.28.696728 (2017_04_10) + truck.zip also is working, but as Basarsoft you need the proper licenses.

@ The Bookworm, i do agree with all you're testing, i do the same.
I used avicsync for many years and all the warnings we seen on screen have been working for a lot of years.
only what appears to me as new are the signs on the left you posted.

I see now that i was mistaken with the fact that it is visible driving without a planned route.
Normally i don't drive without a route planned, because you know the area,and don't need navigation, just now for testing i use it to see what is going on.

I do agree as i said before, if you have a route calculated the program gives you a route where you don't come in the dangerzone, so you won't see any signs on you're route at all.

However sometimes you're destination is in a restricted area ( weight, height, forbidden zone, it doesn't matter) and than the program give's you a warning up front that route calculation can't avoid this area, and it's up to you to check on the map if you take the chance or maybe even manually change the route.

in real life with a truck this means, no worries, just drive to the adress, but beware of obstacles on the destination, and see when we get there if we can find another way or solution.

Main advantage is getting the warning upfront when calculating the route, so you do have the ability to check on the map or make a phonecall to the adress or collegues who might have been there before.
So this is what is most important for me, i don't care what signs come up my screen when i'm driving, because i've got my eyes on the road, and you can see the signs on the road as well, the trick is to know upfront, before you start driving if you can reach the destination without any problems.

I'm a truckdriver for over 20 years and i have got a lot of adresses where you simply could not deliver with a big truck, and when you arrive or park a few streets before the adress, the clients are stunned to see that you are driving with such a big truck, most of the times they expect a smal one.

This also is the reason why i said the program is working fine, only thing is not all truck restrictions are complete, for example the tunnel i mentioned here in the Netherlands.

grtz Ludo & thx for you're effort and contribution

Originally Posted by osiris4isis

In testing truck restriction, keep in mind the following properties (as I already stated in previous posts)
0. Extended settings for truck
1. Routing restriction shown in routing screen/menu (static)
2. Notification of restriction (dynamic)
3. Alert icons shown in cockpit (dynamic)

Just to be clear, we have used/tested Gift with and without skins and only difference is point 2.

You want to test the Gift 9.18.27.687519 with no skin + truck.zip version, because that's the one who doesn't need extra licenses for outside europe.
If that's what you want, i'm gonna do that exactly as you asked and test this on monday in real life, so i should have the same program without extra licenses just as The Bookworm.
As far as i can tell eveything you asked is working if i see The Bookworms screenshots, but i try to report back on Monday.

grtz. Ludo

Originally Posted by the_bookworm

Totally agreed, Ludo!
But, I don't think it is designed to have signs for Height/Weight/e.t.c. on the left side or onto the map.

Just imagine the situation - you're driving straight on the road with few left/right side roads, and there is no weight/height limit on the main road (the one you driving at). Everything is smooth....

Case 1, you have a planned route and you deviates from it (because of accident or you didn't follow direction), proggy should tell you how to get back on the route. This is the arrow direction and distance shown in alert icon area of cockpit.

Case 2, you have a planned route but got redirection because of traffic, you should see notification in cockpit. I don't know if you tested this case yet.

Case 3, you don't have planned route, you don't get any notification nor alert for restriction. Like I said, if you see restriction signs (that doesn't rotate nor have distance), it's most likely from turn_restriction.zip

If you're talking about using truck.zip so you get alert icons in cockpit, proggy knows and report the necessary data in variables used in truck.zip (look at the codes for those variables)
The routing engine flagged truck restriction and the mapping engine will populate those variables to be used in truck.zip This is the reason why I wasn't sure if it was working or not (because I can't test it when driving). Those variables will only get flagged if the conditions are correct.