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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxxxxxx View Post
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    Also the POIs do show up on the map and you can locate POIs near you by using the near option in the POI menu. You just can't do a search for POI.

    Again if I can be of help would be glad to.
    Thanks for the offer. I'm fully aware of what is and isn't available re search of pois with unlocked maps, ie showing on map and finding with near option but greyed out kb when attempting a search.

    As stated earlier, this is a 'pie in the sky' theory that i would test myself if i still had access to a 06-08 wing. My 'theory/suspicion' is based on the knowledge that in Garmin units the pois are available even if that map is deselected, but only if another map covering the same area is active. Because it's possible to have two different maps such as AU Sensis and Navteq, or China Pinyin and Chinese, with only one selected but still able to use the pois of the deselected map for search i'm hopeful that the search keyboard may reactive if a genuine non-NT map is combined with a small portion of a more recent NT.

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    No problem using any unlocked maps latest or earlier with fw v4.5, 4.6 & 4.7 other than the lack of poi search.
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    I have a working mapset of V7 non NT and 2015.2 that will load and work in my 06 GW. The 07 nonNt will search for POI and the 15.2 will not. Now if I can help please let me know. If not let me know also and I wont clog this thread.

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    Don't get the wrong idea, i'd value your help as well as gto49's - 2 heads are better than one. I apologise in advance if this turns out to be a total waste of time as it probably will, but you never know, crazier things have worked when tried.

    Look back at post #392> for the gist of what i want you to try. I don't want to assume anything about your knowledge levels on using MapInstall to make a small local map from a recent NT and then combining it with a genuine non-NT locked to the wing's navi unit using GMAPTool.

    So jinxxxxxx and gto49, If you need a step-by-step or any further help to make either the CF card clone and/or the combined image let me know.
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    For clearification. I have the original V7 mapset that came with the bike but the nav board was replaced. So that mapset was unlocked with a key to work with the new board. So I don't think I will prove anything by doing a raw copy. Will try to combine a mapsets from V7 and 15.2.
    to see if it enables the POIs. I believe that is what you are trying to test.

    May I suggest that some one that has a legal copy of the 2011 nt mapset for the 06 - 08 try this test as well.

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    Test #1: Clone original CF card to 2GB Sandisk CF card with RawCopy.
    Result: Fail
    Notification: Map locked
    Next step: Test with another "cloning" program
    Conclusion: At this point, any combining of maps to determine if POI search is enabled must be done on an original card.
    Observation: Both cards are formatted FAT32.
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    Hope this does't muddy things but I can transfer/copy my oem maps to either of my CF cards and POI search is enabled. Created a mapset of just one area using the oem mapset and mapsource and the POI search is disabled. I am now doing a complete rebuild of the oem mapset with Mapsource to see if POI search is disabled.

    Hope is helps.

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    @jinxxxxxx
    Do you have an original PC installed version of V7, or have you reverse-engineered an image file using GMAPTool and the simple install.bat method? If the latter, search will not work correctly with any image then recreated from using MapSource or MapInstall. Btw, MS is ok for older maps but new large gmap folder NTs such as NA are compiled differently and it's better to use them in MapInstall to create img files.

    Provided the combined map image is less that 4GiB and all map tiles are either locked to the unit [in the case of the oem map] or unlocked with gimgunlock.exe [in the case of the newer map] then it should be recognised by the unit. Therefore I'm not sure if using an NT such as 2011 as or earlier non-NT locked img file would matter in that case provided it's OEM.

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    Your conclusion that the original card must be used for testing may be correct. It's absolutely correct if the map was supplied as a pre-compled image locked to the card rather than locked to the unit. jinxxxxxx has been able to do a simple copy of the oem map data from one 2GB CF to another and still have full search enabled, which indicates locked to the unit's ID and that's also confirmed by his experience when the board was changed [new UID].

    The purpose in doing a RAW copy 'clone' of the card is so that as nearly as possible the cards are the same, i.e. precise byte by byte copy of the data before then combining the non-NT and NT images on the cloned card itself. If you'd like to do the tests using simple copy/paste that's fine. Even a RAW copy test isn't definitive, only a test on the original oem card is definitive as you've concluded but i don't wish to encourage you using an original cord which may then be crippled.

    Thanks for the tests so far guys.
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    So Neil, that would mean I should be able to use any *original by Garmin* card in my Wing? That's why Garmin can sell those ridiculously priced out-dated maps to us Goldwing owners?

    I guess at this point, I'm out of the game. I'm still playing with my 2013.30 mapset, and want to keep my 2009 set intact for emergency purposes.

    And I'm finding that anything newer than what I have is larger than 2GB...which means my unit won't load it even from a larger card.

    I'm so ticked off at Garmin - I can buy a nüvi with LMT for just a little more than what they want for an *official* Goldwing navi *update* card (so-called) with a mapset that is already outdated (2013.10 is the newest update for the 'Wing! I'm wondering if they use the older maps only because they can't get the new ones on a 2GB card without leaving something out.).

    Come to think of it, that may very well be the route I'll take.

    I've written to Garmin accusing them of creating unsafe riding conditions for riders by not supplying Goldwing navi owners with more frequent, less costly updates. I believe they have a moral responsibility to do so...either that, or stop putting their units in Goldwings.

    By the way, they haven't responded...surprise, surprise.
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    Well, I didn't mean to shut down the activity on this project, but it looks as if I did. Sorry about that.

    You can tell that my quest for an update for my Goldwing was fueled more by frustration than curiosity... It's obvious that Garmin has little interest in providing current updates for the devices installed on the 'Wings (thus, this thread), so I've decided, as have many others, to go another route. My new 3590LMT (refurb) arrived yesterday, and now has the newest 2015.10 mapset... cost was slightly more than what Garmin is charging for their Goldwing update. There are waterproof mounts available so I can use it on my 'Wing. And the whole package is less than half the cost of a Zumo.

    Thanks for all the help in getting me as far as I did in this experiment. I learned a lot.

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    If you take any eom mapset provide with a goldwing from the factory and put a new key for a different bike in the unl file it will work with the new bike. Again took the oem mapset that came with the bike, changed the key for the new board and put it in the unl file. oem maps now work with the new board. I have all functions with the new board that I had with the original nav board. Therefore I don't beleive that the maps are locked to the card. I think you on a wild goose catch by looking at the card as the problem.

    I would like to try a test but some one needs to supply an oem mapset. I say if you take gto49s gmapsupp.img and put it in some one else's bike, change the key to one for the new bike it will work with all functions. After all that is what I have already done.

 

 
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