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    If Garmin continues with the current "no pin lock" strategy, this will become a non issue soon, anyway 4 digit pin lock is not very secure.
    Someone on the forum already reported unlocking one using the "brute force" method in quick time.
    Anyways the value of an old Nuvi "Zumo Excluded" is negligible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolypop000 View Post
    In 4 years i only see 6 post where people ask how to unlock nuvi.
    Do you read your private message? I have a one request in week from all forum at least. But after demand for belonging a unit to them I have no answer to request in the most of case. You romantic by George. Only about pair percent of reading on forums write them...
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    The PIN code strategy is flawed from the get go. A thief who snatches a GPS from the front seat or glovebox has no way of knowing if it is locked or not when he grabs it. The notion it deters theft is farsical. It might lower the price a pawn shop pays for it. But soon - a pawn shop will know exactly what a locked 1490 or 1450 or 265W is worth by the market demand for the components. I see it more of a tool to protect owner information. You would be amazed at what a Cellebrite can pull off an unlocked GPS.

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    Yes it is flawed. No it doesn't deter theft. Yes it does probably lower the price a pawn shop will pay because if the seller can't unlock it the buyer knows it's probably stolen and will either play hardball or not touch it with a ten-foot pole. The cumulative value of it's component parts will often exceed the market value of the entire unit for many things (e.g. the unregistered car you sell bits off from your back yard). Would a pawn shop be prepared to spend the time to break down a gps unit to then on-sell the parts though? Probably not, even if they had the capability. Most are 'dealers', not 'wreckers' to continue with the motor vehicle analogy.

    I agree that it's of more use to protect owner info, but i don't think that's what it was originally aimed at. Most of us posting here would NOT be amazed at what can be pulled off a gps unit by expert forensic examination, locked or unlocked. There have been murders solved by such examination.

    Garmin no longer see fit to include the pin lock in the 2xxx/3xxx 2012 MTP devices. That alone speaks volumes for the effectiveness of 'GarminLock' imo. It's 'benefits' are outweighed by it's 'nuisance value' probably.
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    I think it does deter thieves, because it makes the profit of stealing lower, and thieves are probably not stupid and they know what's more profitable for them. The problem is that we don't know how much it deters thieves. That's why our speculations here are likely to be wrong.

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    On balance, i think Redrock is right when he said "A thief who snatches a GPS from the front seat or glovebox has no way of knowing if it is locked or not when he grabs it", so in that sense the activated pin lock on a unit doesn't deter thieves at all. It just lessens the proceeds of the crime as kunix points out. But, is a thief spying a gps in an unattended car likely to consider the likelihood of it being pin locked? Maybe, if the last couple of units he stole were locked. But they were still salable, just for less money, and this one might not be locked as most aren't. So is he going to stand there debating with himself whether to 1) smash and grab, or 2) just walk off and not pinch gps units forever after. I dunno. Maybe, because it's got value regardless he will still grab it anyway ..... probably?

    I agree that our speculations could be wrong. But you don't actually have to be a thief to think like one.
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    I think it does deter thieves if this thieves if it is not Russian drug addicts. The last stolen auto head unit today for tomorrow will come for the wiring harness to it.
    But we need sticker - Garmin lock I do not see it in the box since Nuvi 300-600.

    At the time when the auto equipment was relatively expensive the PIN security was was fashionable. But now people lost interest. Would suggest that the reason for this it is more careless behavior in terms of consumer. Why suffer every time you enter a PIN code if you can buy a new navigator inexpensively. In Russia even satellite guard systems have gone out of fashion. Why suffer every time you are following the not simple procedure of arming if you can buy slightly more expensive a insurance police. Before we chose the car and stuffing for a long-long life. Just looking for a reason to quickly buy a newer model...
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    I find it hard to think as a typical thief. If I were a thief I would be a different one, coz I would spent some time planning my actions in order to maximize the expected profits and minimize the expected losses. And probably soon I would decide to stop being a car thief at all.

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    You, Giomen, and probably I, are too smart to be a 'typical thief'. That doesn't stop us kicking our minds into angel gear and coasting down the slippery slope of crime in an imaginary sense to think like the typical brutish smash & grab artist. In that imagined guise, I would grab it without even considering if it's locked or any other consequences at all. Sorry, maybe i do have a criminal mind. I won't tell you what my profession was for 40 years, because you will make unpleasant associations!
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    Most anyone who has done it knows there is no forensic examination of a PIN locked Garmin until it is unlocked. If it is not unlocked, no exam is conducted.

 

 
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