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    @pallidex: I have found that to print a raster map from Basecamp you can install the raster map (v3) with GMapTool but give it another FID (NOT 1395) and a PID of 1 before you split it. I used FID 1396 because I do not have that map installed in Mapsource or Basecamp but you can give it any FID not being used on your computer.

    In this way you can have both vector and raster maps viewable in both Mapsource and Basecamp (only one at a time) although in Mapsource the raster detail does not show up even though you can mark individual tiles. As I do not have a raster map compatible GPS I cannot see if individual tiles from the Mapsource raster map can be installed to a compatible GPS. Maybe someone can try it?

    I have not checked to see if all functions work and I have NOT tried inputting and printing routes using Basecamp but at least it is possible to print maps with the GMapTool installation procedure. It also means that you do not need to plug in your GPS or additional SD card (with the Raster map), or install a virtual SD card to be able to access the raster map as it is installed with all other maps on your computer.

    If you need help using GMapTool there is a tutorial in the "Garmin Tutorials" index under "Using GMapTool" in which you do not need the advanced function but do need to add a new FID and PID as mentioned above.

    I hope this helps.
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    @pallidex: If you need good prints you could try to find the original Swiss 25k rastermaps and install them om your PC. The Garmin rastermap is exactly the same map. There are several versions on the internet, the original version and others that were converted for Ozi Explorer for instance.

    The original is available as torrent:
    Spoiler: Swiss topo maps (download torrent) - TPB
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    The Ozi map can be found here:
    Spoiler: Mobilism View topic - [Multi
    OZIEXPLORER Maps - Collection][Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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    @Grevillea & Mapperoni. Thanks a lot for the advice. Now I have a lot of thinks to try next week.
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    JDownloader say, file no found .......Please re-upload with other links.....Thanks.

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    First of all thx for the map itself.
    I copied it to the SD card of my GPSmap 62s and its working there. But when i pan around with the rastermapshowing the device is something slow. Has anyone tried to split the image for the installation in mapsource and then made only a partiall map? Is it faster on the device than and are the rasterdetails visible?

    Btw if you need these rastermaps, you can go to the homepage
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    thats a googlemaps like map-page from the swiss goverment that made these maps. You can zoom there too and print the maps without any problems.

    And if its not possible to make partial maps with mapsource of the topo map i'll give it a try to make my own custom map with the pictures from my link.
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    Observations and a question to the use of BOTH Swiss Maps at the same time (vector- AND rastermap):

    1. in "original" use AND only on specific Garmin "Outdoor" devices able to use raster maps like Montana, Oregon, Dakota, GPSmap62/78 e.g. NOT on Nuvis), it must be possible to use both maps, vector map (identic content with v2 of Swiss Map) not visible, but used in background for its ROUTING abilities. (Full Garmin-device list see: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ])

    2. All RASTER maps are available only as 1:25'000-versions, and on a PC, they work only with Garmin Prog BASECAMP (NOT with older Mapsource).

    3. BUT on a PC, it is NOT POSSIBLE TO USE ("install") BOTH MAP VERSIONS AT THE SAME TIME. The reason of this may be the identic FID 1395 for vector- and raster map. (And in plus, this code is still the same as for (older, but identic) vector map Swiss Map v2.1): OR you use on your PC Swiss Map v2 OR Swiss Map v3, raster version. (This although the 2 .img-files of your upload have different names: gmapsupp.img for vector- and gmapprom.img for raster map.)

    4. For me, MAP USE ON PC was ONLY POSSIBLE AFTER EXTRACTION of the .img-files with GmapTool 0.6.0.2956. And since (so far, as I know) gmaptool is NOT able to extract routing infos too, you lose the routing ability of vector map v3.
    Use therefore v2 for routing applications, AND, if you want to use the more accurate raster maps too, DELETE TEMPORARY registry entry of vector version:
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Families\FAMILY_1395] for vector versions 2+3.)
    During use of vector version, registry entry of raster version may stay:
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\FamiliesNT\FAMILY_1395] With BOTH entries, only Topo Swiss v2, vector will be available and work on your PC.

    QUESTION:
    Is there a way to bring the full routing ability on the raster maps (possible on mentioned Garmin devices) "back" to a PC? How to proceed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncleu48 View Post
    QUESTION:
    Is there a way to bring the full routing ability on the raster maps (possible on mentioned Garmin devices) "back" to a PC? How to proceed?
    Maybe in the (short) future someone can build a converter for raster *.img files into real *.gmap files that can be put on the PC (Windows and Mac).
    A connection with the GPS for showing it up in Basecamp is in that case not neccessairy. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer.
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    @uncleu48 & @Dir
    If you know something about the differences in technology of raster and vector maps, you know that
    1. never be possible to have routing functionality on raster maps without a vector map in the background (e.g. like discoverer map series)
    2. generally it will not be possible to convert raster to vector map automatically, because for a program it's really complex to decide, which lines, symbols or textures on a raster map are needed for a street, way, path etc.. If there will be sometimes a program, that can assist you by converting this formats, it always would be a high manual expenditure to make an usable vector map from the converted data.
    3. It's much easier to use raster maps with basecamp on PC on a virtual SD card and to use the known vector maps for auto routing.
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    @Pixeldealer

    Maybe off topic but ..

    Quote Originally Posted by p!xeldealer View Post
    @uncleu48 & @Dir
    1. never be possible to have routing functionality on raster maps without a vector map in the background (e.g. like discoverer map series)
    2. generally it will not be possible to convert raster to vector map automatically, because for a program it's really complex to decide, which lines, symbols or textures on a raster map are needed for a street, way, path etc.. If there will be sometimes a program, that can assist you by converting this formats, it always would be a high manual expenditure to make an usable vector map from the converted data.
    As a retired Graphic Designer with more than 40 years digital experience, I have drawn hundreds of raster (PhSh) and vector (A.I.) real maps by myself. Made conversions from one to another and back. I agree ... often a hell of a job. But in the development of the digital possibilities in the past 40 years I learned one important thing: never say never.
    30 Years ago everybody thought it for impossible to record real audio by microphone and convert it to a bitmap score in music notes that could be printed. Well lots of applications nowaday.
    Personally I work minimal with the routing functions. My remark in post #36 converting in *.img to a Gmap was based on my appraisal that Garmin in the future more and more will offer the maps in *.img format on SD wich only can be used in the GPS connected to the computer. I use my GPS for tracking and logging; import the tracks on the map that I have IN my computer; work on them; save them. So I like to have all my maps IN my computer (Gmap) as well as ON SD-cards (*.img). And than a conversion possibillity from img to Gmap (also without routing) would be very usefull for a lot of trackers and mappers.
    Apart from that, my respect for all your contributions!
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    ...I learned one important thing: never say never
    Of course you are right, but this is very unlikely, because the Garmin raster maps are used from few people only on few compatible devices, so I think that would not be economically to write a program for such complex conversion in the foreseeable future.

    For your purposes the best way would be, to make a virtual removable drive on your Mac (.dmg image with FAT32 format), make a folder Garmin on it and copy the map images into this folder. This image you can mount as iso and so you can use it with BaseCamp like an physically Garmin device. So you needn't 2 versions of a map and the virtual image is much faster than a real device on USB port or Sd-card in card reader.

 

 
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