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    Quote Originally Posted by corina View Post
    this is bad, if they start to sell encrypted maps, what we'll do?

    what can we do with such an encrypted map?
    Well, right now an access code exist... What we did with that?

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    There is also a ROAD 2012.30 microSD-version available, so how the h*ll can they sell it to a Tourist who comes to Romania with his Garmin...Or is the encryption firmware on the mSD?

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    The problem of using custom firmwares is that probably cant use either Garmin official support for firmwares or Webupdater, Mapupdater etc . How could it go with warranty if Nuvi doesnt start or is bricked if something goes wrong with these firmwares?
    Better to use Carte Blanche and for Romania CNE IMHO.
    I wouldnt use a map cant be read by an official Garmin firmware.
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    Adrenalin or Neadrenalin said about Encryption algorithm 256-bit AES or SHA-256. The key is bound to ID and only special firmware for device has need for decryption. Only cloning of device is solution to the this problem according to him words.
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    @Caty;Giomen
    My concern is more along the lines of what if Garmin itself starts doing this sort of encryption with major areas ie Americas, Europe, Oceana, etc so that there are maybe 4 or 5 de-encryption fw's worldwide with corresponding map encryption. Along the lines of the asian jcv files which would simply mean the files can't be read by another region's fw's. And the asian units are using official Garmin regional fw. Same principal, just different files & different scale.

    That's what i mean by 'unsettling implications' in Post #4. That would be a whole new ballgame, and they have the technology! Costly to do the changeover maybe, but they'd sell a Hell of a lot more maps (and more GPS units if the fw's weren't cross-flashable).
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    While I'm one the 'dark' side, I clearly understand that the lack of the protection for Garmin maps is killing the map market (for ~10 years already or even more).
    It's just not profitable to solely make maps, you have to do some additional complicated things to get your profit.
    And the wallets of map makers aren't the only ones who are getting hurt, customers are also getting hurt by this perverted market.

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    I have an idea of a 'good' Garmin map market:
    1) Map format is absolutely open, so that almost everyone can steal map data from other sources and compile a Garmin map.
    2) For some considerably low price there is a map ecryptor available. Encrypted maps can only be decrypted by the licenced Garmin device and by the map creator himself. That would allow serious map makers to earn their money while not being afraid of piracy and map decompilation.

    Maybe the 1st option is wrong, I'm not sure. But the 2nd is a must for sure.
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    As far as I know the main profit for Garmin is from devices, not maps.

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    In 10 years this
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    may be ,will be good enough to kill commercial maps encrypted or not, too expensive for users.
    In some countries there are free projects that are so good to be better than Garmin maps, see Brazil, Philippines, Malaysia and Singapore, Argentina ,Central America, Spain, Portugal etc.
    Garmin in my opinion is mostly interested to sell new devices and try to avoid other mappers can get good tools to build their maps.
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    I did notice some extrange behaviour when having two different maps from the same area (one selected and the other one unselected). But I didn't pay attention to it. I though the maps where the problem so I deleted one of the maps and everything started to work alright.
    Garmin probably doesnt like third party mappers, I dont think Garmin is in any case going to open its map format .
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager56 View Post
    As far as I know the main profit for Garmin is from devices, not maps.
    Protected maps => motivated map makers => better maps => more devices sold. Doesn't it make sense?

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    I really don't understand what Garmin is trying to achieve by not replacing the broken map protection for more than 10 years and doing all other seemingly stupid things.
    I've just written what they *should* do, on my opinion.
    Also I don't get how preventing others from building maps can help sell more devices. Maybe new maps are only sold with newer devices? Then they need a better map protection anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giomen View Post
    Adrenalin or Neadrenalin said about Encryption algorithm 256-bit AES or SHA-256. The key is bound to ID and only special firmware for device has need for decryption. Only cloning of device is solution to the this problem according to him words.
    Prooflink, please. I have never told about AES and SHA. Do not spread the words I've never told!

 

 
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